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A problem with how theists think.
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RE: A problem with how theists think.
Everything requires a cause because it is contingent? You're just begging the question through definition.

Even if I let this go and say that everything in the universe requires a cause, it's a fallacy of composition to apply that to the universe itself. Properties of the whole need not reflect properties of the parts, or the contents.

No one knows whether the universe had "a beginning" or not, so it is speculation and nothing more. Trying to apply everday logic to situations where all our scientific models start going bonkers is at best naive.

It's a good thing God is imaginary, or else all these problems would apply to him too. The fact that theists wave such objections away is called special pleading. God is just different. Well, reality as a whole could also be just different. Pushing the problem back a step does not answer it. If God ever showed up in reality, maybe theists would start asking the questions sceptics already have prepared for him.
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A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 23, 2016 at 1:25 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Minimalist - March 23, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 23, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by LastPoet - March 23, 2016 at 1:41 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by brewer - March 23, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 24, 2016 at 2:18 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 24, 2016 at 8:37 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Esquilax - March 25, 2016 at 6:18 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 24, 2016 at 3:27 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 24, 2016 at 8:45 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by vorlon13 - March 24, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 24, 2016 at 6:26 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by drfuzzy - March 25, 2016 at 11:29 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by vorlon13 - March 25, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by vorlon13 - March 24, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Chas - March 25, 2016 at 5:14 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 25, 2016 at 11:17 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 25, 2016 at 4:15 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 25, 2016 at 7:01 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Esquilax - March 25, 2016 at 8:17 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 26, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - April 5, 2016 at 10:13 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RozKek - March 26, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 25, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by vorlon13 - March 25, 2016 at 5:56 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by ignoramus - March 26, 2016 at 12:23 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by ApeNotKillApe - March 25, 2016 at 6:37 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 26, 2016 at 2:40 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 26, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 26, 2016 at 5:15 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 26, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 26, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 26, 2016 at 12:58 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 28, 2016 at 3:39 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by Red_Wind - March 28, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by RoadRunner79 - March 29, 2016 at 9:16 am
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 29, 2016 at 3:34 pm
RE: A problem with how theists think. - by robvalue - March 30, 2016 at 2:52 am

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