RE: His throne is on water..stunning scientific theory that the Quran foretold 1400 y ago
March 28, 2016 at 8:56 pm
(This post was last modified: March 28, 2016 at 8:59 pm by RozKek.
Edit Reason: The sumerians didn't mention the big bang*
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AHH THE GOOD OLD SCIENTIFIC SHIT IN THE QUR'AN. When the science is "against" them they deny it! And when the science is "with" them they accept it!
Mr. ConfirmationbiasS33, how come you didn't mention all the other scientific miracles in the Qur'an, hm?
Like the one where the Qur'an says that iron came from outer space. "How could Mahmoud possibly know that a stunning 1400 years ago before modern science?" Well he fucking didn't. It was knowledge taken from the ancient Egyptians, they knew about it around 5000 years ago because they harvested iron from meteorites. And I'm pretty sure you can see meteoroids (meteorites before impact) falling from outer space/the sky. So there goes one scientific "miracle" to hell. Also note that it wasn't God's words. It was ancient Egyptians knawwledge implemented into the Qur'an.
[source: http://www.nature.com/news/iron-in-egypt...ce-1.13091]
"But, what about when the Qur'an mentions the BIG BANG!?" Actually the Qur'an wasn't first. The Sumerians were, it was a sumerian creation story (didn't represent the Big Bang fyi, just misinterpreted). So the people who wrote the Qur'an thought this made sense and implemented it into the Qur'an.
[source: http://nautil.us/issue/17/big-bangs/the-...tion-story]
"Hold on, the Qur'an says that the our Earth is spherical, explain that!" Yeah, thanks to Pythagoras around 500 B.C. an ancient greek mathematician and philosophor had the brains to calculate it/know it, so, yeah. It was possible before modern science. Here again the writers of the Qur'an took knowledge from others and implemented it. Scientific "miracle"? Nope.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras] (CTRL+F search: spherical)
And don't even mention the embryo. It was also taken from the ancient greeks. They had theories on it, Aristotle studied it and even gave accurate description to the embryo development of a hound shark.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle] (CTRL+F search: embryo)
What about when the Qur'an mentions that the moon doesn't shine, but reflects the sunlight? How could Mahmodi have known that? Yet again, taken from the ancient greeks.
Anaxagoras knew that the moon reflected didn't shine and reflected light around 500 B.C
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaxagoras] (CTRL+F search: moon)
I don't care enough to mention others, if there are any... And before you ask how could Muhammed have had access to all this knowledge. Well if you didn't skip school, or at least made your research then you would have known around the times the Qur'an was written or modified, the arabic empire was huge. It stretched out very far, and they were great at trading since they made their own silver coins, which became more and more common. They had many universities filled with ancient greek knowledge, they had even learnt a lot from the Indians, including mathematics, medicine etc. And all the knowledge they've taken has been in their reach: Mesopotamia, ancient Greece, Sumer etc. Coincidence?
And, also. Did you actually read the article, or just the headline?
1) They don't literally mean fluid
2) They are talking about superfluid which by definition is "an unusual state of matter noted only in liquid helium cooled to near absolute zero and characterized by apparently frictionless flow (as through fine holes)"
3) They are asking how particles/waves etc move through space and they're only modelling it as a fluid.
4) You should read up on what Apophenia is, so you realise that you're just assigning meaning to meaningless stuff.
5) If the Qur'an truly had scientific miracles, scientists would use the Qur'an as a source.
6) And very smart and intelligent people would be debating it.
7) This isn't proven.
8) And did it ever strike you that maybe the writers of the Qur'an said that God's throne is on water because they'd believe that God "lived" outside of the earth and the sky looks blue like clear water in an ocean?
You're just clinging onto your faith for some stupid, irrational reason. Spend your time on something that will actually benefit you, something that will make you smarter, something that will open your mind to logical and analytical thinking not overrun by irrationality, something that will make you thank your mother after finishing the food instead of thanking God (I hate it when my siblings thank God, as if God Ramsey prepared the food). There have been studies shown that non religious people are in general a bit more intelligent and more rational. That wasn't said to offend you, but to introduce you the possibility that you should consider what others are saying, and maybe accepting that right now, in this moment, you might be irrational, and you should change your way of thinking.
You're adapting your beliefs to what you want to be true instead of adapting your beliefs to what is true, what evidence shows, what is logical and rational, what is more likely.
Goodluck in the future.
Note: Sorry if I have many misspellings, typos, etc. I wrote this very late at night.
Mr. ConfirmationbiasS33, how come you didn't mention all the other scientific miracles in the Qur'an, hm?
Like the one where the Qur'an says that iron came from outer space. "How could Mahmoud possibly know that a stunning 1400 years ago before modern science?" Well he fucking didn't. It was knowledge taken from the ancient Egyptians, they knew about it around 5000 years ago because they harvested iron from meteorites. And I'm pretty sure you can see meteoroids (meteorites before impact) falling from outer space/the sky. So there goes one scientific "miracle" to hell. Also note that it wasn't God's words. It was ancient Egyptians knawwledge implemented into the Qur'an.
[source: http://www.nature.com/news/iron-in-egypt...ce-1.13091]
"But, what about when the Qur'an mentions the BIG BANG!?" Actually the Qur'an wasn't first. The Sumerians were, it was a sumerian creation story (didn't represent the Big Bang fyi, just misinterpreted). So the people who wrote the Qur'an thought this made sense and implemented it into the Qur'an.
[source: http://nautil.us/issue/17/big-bangs/the-...tion-story]
"Hold on, the Qur'an says that the our Earth is spherical, explain that!" Yeah, thanks to Pythagoras around 500 B.C. an ancient greek mathematician and philosophor had the brains to calculate it/know it, so, yeah. It was possible before modern science. Here again the writers of the Qur'an took knowledge from others and implemented it. Scientific "miracle"? Nope.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras] (CTRL+F search: spherical)
And don't even mention the embryo. It was also taken from the ancient greeks. They had theories on it, Aristotle studied it and even gave accurate description to the embryo development of a hound shark.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle] (CTRL+F search: embryo)
What about when the Qur'an mentions that the moon doesn't shine, but reflects the sunlight? How could Mahmodi have known that? Yet again, taken from the ancient greeks.
Anaxagoras knew that the moon reflected didn't shine and reflected light around 500 B.C
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaxagoras] (CTRL+F search: moon)
I don't care enough to mention others, if there are any... And before you ask how could Muhammed have had access to all this knowledge. Well if you didn't skip school, or at least made your research then you would have known around the times the Qur'an was written or modified, the arabic empire was huge. It stretched out very far, and they were great at trading since they made their own silver coins, which became more and more common. They had many universities filled with ancient greek knowledge, they had even learnt a lot from the Indians, including mathematics, medicine etc. And all the knowledge they've taken has been in their reach: Mesopotamia, ancient Greece, Sumer etc. Coincidence?
And, also. Did you actually read the article, or just the headline?
1) They don't literally mean fluid
2) They are talking about superfluid which by definition is "an unusual state of matter noted only in liquid helium cooled to near absolute zero and characterized by apparently frictionless flow (as through fine holes)"
3) They are asking how particles/waves etc move through space and they're only modelling it as a fluid.
4) You should read up on what Apophenia is, so you realise that you're just assigning meaning to meaningless stuff.
5) If the Qur'an truly had scientific miracles, scientists would use the Qur'an as a source.
6) And very smart and intelligent people would be debating it.
7) This isn't proven.
8) And did it ever strike you that maybe the writers of the Qur'an said that God's throne is on water because they'd believe that God "lived" outside of the earth and the sky looks blue like clear water in an ocean?
You're just clinging onto your faith for some stupid, irrational reason. Spend your time on something that will actually benefit you, something that will make you smarter, something that will open your mind to logical and analytical thinking not overrun by irrationality, something that will make you thank your mother after finishing the food instead of thanking God (I hate it when my siblings thank God, as if God Ramsey prepared the food). There have been studies shown that non religious people are in general a bit more intelligent and more rational. That wasn't said to offend you, but to introduce you the possibility that you should consider what others are saying, and maybe accepting that right now, in this moment, you might be irrational, and you should change your way of thinking.
You're adapting your beliefs to what you want to be true instead of adapting your beliefs to what is true, what evidence shows, what is logical and rational, what is more likely.
Goodluck in the future.
Note: Sorry if I have many misspellings, typos, etc. I wrote this very late at night.
