(March 28, 2016 at 9:04 pm)AJW333 Wrote:(March 22, 2016 at 8:27 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Entropy applies to closed systems, which the earth is not. The earth receives energy from outside on a literally constant basis. In terms of the universe, we can't even tell if it is a closed system, but on the off chance that it is, there's nothing within the description of entropy that disallows the possibility of small- which is what stuff happening on a single planet would be, on the scale of a universal closed system- increases in order within a net increase of disorder... and bear in mind that we're talking about molecular disorder anyway, which isn't altered just by pushing together certain collections of molecules so that they do stuff on a macro-level while remaining the same on a molecular one.If we look at entropy from an informational point of view we have;
And would you even consider life to be a decrease in disorder anyway, considering what life tends to do? Are you seriously suggesting that life is more orderly than a lifeless rock floating in space?
So basically, you recognize design because you misunderstand how entropy works. Great.
"in data transmission and information theory, a measure of the loss of information in a transmitted signal or message."
Given that living systems with DNA have shown a progressive and very large increase in information, we can say that evolution requires entropy to be reversed in a step by step fashion over millions of years. If you want to deny that this is the result of design, you can cry "open system," but how does the application of heat and cosmic rays, plus the occasional space rock add to the pool of information within the DNA?
If you stop being wrong, you may become right!
Entropy is entropy. Not information.
The term entropy can be applied to information as you pointed out, but that's not the physical entropy to which you allude when you desire to make "change of entropy" always positive.
Know where the analogy fails and you may come to realize how wrong you've been.
Living beings have become more complex at the expense of energy. Energy that mainly comes from the sun. And the sun is increasing the entropy of the solar system much more than any local dip in entropy on the surface of this planet.
That's it. Stop trotting out your ignorance of what entropy is and how it works.
(March 28, 2016 at 10:59 pm)AJW333 Wrote:LOL!(March 26, 2016 at 7:44 am)Esquilax Wrote: Ditto with neurons: they evolved from simpler analogues, in this case from electrical signalling cells from a function in single celled life forms.Sounds simple. But is it?
"If the human brain were a computer, it could perform 38 thousand trillion operations per second. The world’s most powerful supercomputer, BlueGene, can manage only .002% of that." https://www.quora.com/If-the-human-brain...mputer-Why
So how does genetic mutation account for the fact that each one of these operations is intelligent and has a specific purpose?
Does your brain work like a computer, now?
A good deal of it is dedicated to vision analysis - how many computers out there can see and recognize stuff like our brains can?
And, in parallel, process sound, smell, touch, balance, sense of self, keep track of where all our parts are and what they're doing.... keep track of the requirements of our own bodies.... and think.
Not to mention all the memory. How many neurons are dedicated to memory storage, recall, updating, etc?
Also... redundancy and poor evolutionary design... There are brains out there with more neurons per sq-inch than our own... we could be even better.
(March 28, 2016 at 10:59 pm)AJW333 Wrote:Well.... maybe, if you were to read the actual scientific papers, you'd find that the language employed is much more in line with "we think that", "this could be", "it looks like", "the analysis suggests", etc...(March 26, 2016 at 7:44 am)Esquilax Wrote: Science is an inherently probabilistic field, but it's not fair to call its results speculation: yes, nobody directly observed these changes happening, but it'd be childish to demand only that sort of evidence and nothing more, not to mention massive special pleading. You ask about how we "absolutely" know something, which indicates a lack of understanding of the basic, probabilistic nature of science, because we don't absolutely know, nor are we required to. We infer that eyespots evolved into the eye in the same way we infer a relationship between Samotherium and modern Giraffes: through data and observation. Is it perfect? No, and nobody has ever claimed it was. Is it the best possible conclusion we can come to at the time, based on the evidence available to us? Yes. Yes it is.Science depends on precision. If a claim cannot be verified by testing and observation, it should not be declared to be fact, it should be declared to be hypothetical. But this isn't what evolutionists do, they declare all too often, with absolute certainty that a whole train of radical species developments occurred with certainty.
(March 28, 2016 at 10:59 pm)AJW333 Wrote:(March 28, 2016 at 9:59 pm)robvalue Wrote: What kind of scientific conclusion is "it's designed" anyway? It tells us absolutely nothing, even if it were true.If it is true, then there must be a designer.
If there is a designer, then there is a designer.
Congratulations!
You've graduated from circular logic 101.