RE: Fuck my country!
March 17, 2011 at 6:41 am
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2011 at 6:44 am by theVOID.)
Can you use the quotes properly next time? I've fixed 2 of your posts prior to now and given you notice, next time you respond to someone with bold inside quote tags I'm deleting your post.
That's one possibility. It's just as unfair for taxpayers to cover damage people knowingly do to themselves than it is for people to privately pay higher rates to cover them. When you've got a socialized healthcare system like here in NZ making people who smoke pay extra is the way to go, it means you don't have to resort to douchebag authoritarianism.
You're actually that oblivious? It's Government taxes make up the bulk of the price of smokes and their regulations and price minimums stop people competing on price so the consumers pay more.
The prices have been driven up by the government, without taxes and tariffs or price minimums smokes would be a hell of a lot cheaper, rather than $14 a pack they'd be around $4.
Libertarianism is against the government manipulating consumer choice through targeted taxes and subsidies, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE.
And you think making smokes outrageously expensive helps keep people off the streets? Most people who smoke are low income, raising taxes on smokes just fucks over the poor. And these homeless people have next to nothing, smokes are one of the few luxuries they have, you want to take that away from them too?
And someone is a shithead now just for smoking? What an asshole, how about you get off your high horse and stop judging people for the decisions they freely make.
Do you have to eat your favorite snack? No. Lets ban it.
Do you have to drive fast cars? No. Let's ban them.
Etc.
It's not your fucking decision, it's theirs. How can you say you care about people when you don't even respect their rights over their own bodies? You want to punish people to coax them into sharing your views.
You're completely authoritarian, it's despicable.
Unfortunately yes, and it only cost a committee 40 million dollars to come up with the idea! Bargin!
It's enough to make me vote for a fringe party this year.
(March 16, 2011 at 4:36 pm)HeyItsZeus Wrote: OK... they get their healthcare through the government and then they have to pay more; special add on price treatment for smokers
That's one possibility. It's just as unfair for taxpayers to cover damage people knowingly do to themselves than it is for people to privately pay higher rates to cover them. When you've got a socialized healthcare system like here in NZ making people who smoke pay extra is the way to go, it means you don't have to resort to douchebag authoritarianism.
Quote:I loled at this...as a libertarian you have no right to ask for price regulation/ irony.
You're actually that oblivious? It's Government taxes make up the bulk of the price of smokes and their regulations and price minimums stop people competing on price so the consumers pay more.
The prices have been driven up by the government, without taxes and tariffs or price minimums smokes would be a hell of a lot cheaper, rather than $14 a pack they'd be around $4.
Libertarianism is against the government manipulating consumer choice through targeted taxes and subsidies, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE.
Quote:then people will stop being shit-heads and perhaps not start smoking... it makes an impression when when someone sees your broke ass on the street begging for smokes)
And you think making smokes outrageously expensive helps keep people off the streets? Most people who smoke are low income, raising taxes on smokes just fucks over the poor. And these homeless people have next to nothing, smokes are one of the few luxuries they have, you want to take that away from them too?
And someone is a shithead now just for smoking? What an asshole, how about you get off your high horse and stop judging people for the decisions they freely make.
Quote:sooooo why do you have to smoke again???? oh wait.........................you don't.
Do you have to eat your favorite snack? No. Lets ban it.
Do you have to drive fast cars? No. Let's ban them.
Etc.
Quote:You should be allowed to smoke but if there is a way for life to get harder for you because you smoke I will support it. I know it sounds sinister but it actually isn't. I care too much about humanity to be basically handing out cigarettes to people. Libertarianism, once again, in my opinion fails.
It's not your fucking decision, it's theirs. How can you say you care about people when you don't even respect their rights over their own bodies? You want to punish people to coax them into sharing your views.
You're completely authoritarian, it's despicable.
(March 17, 2011 at 3:43 am)padraic Wrote: Void
Have I actually understood? Some elected official with an IQ of a kiwi (bird) has decided to ban an addiction more powerful than heroin?
Gee,I'll bet diverse crims are absolutely delighted,prohibition 21st century style. The government will save no money,none: Banning will cause few,if any people to quit,and will save the health system nothing. Instead, the government lose millions in tax revenue AND pay a scary amount to try (unsuccessfully) to enforce such a ban.
Fess up Void, you're taking the piss ain'tcha? Surely you don't REALLY have any politicians that suicidally stupid?
Unfortunately yes, and it only cost a committee 40 million dollars to come up with the idea! Bargin!It's enough to make me vote for a fringe party this year.
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