RE: His throne is on water..stunning scientific theory that the Quran foretold 1400 y ago
April 3, 2016 at 6:44 am
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2016 at 6:51 am by ReptilianPeon.)
(April 2, 2016 at 11:23 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: MrNoMorePropagandaThe ancient Arabic of the Quran has words equivalent to "super" and "fluid" (liquid) so why use the word water? Why 'beat around the bush' as they say? Allah didn't need to muddy the waters by putting the word water in place of the words "super fluid". That would be so much more convincing. But super fluid universe is just speculation.
E=MC2, is a 4 character statement, MNMP, and written in a book.
Your name on your ID card is a reality, written on one line too.
Though, trying to catch any tiny fragment while drowning to survive and float, is just an evidence of desperation, not stupidity.
If it turns out the universe is not super fluid after all, does that mean the Quran is wrong? Currently you're taking the Iyah to be scientifically accurate (even though the science not confirmed). There's no guarantee the verse agrees with the science since science is always changing.
(April 2, 2016 at 11:23 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Your mother -as most Christians- is desperate, MNMP.All religious people are keen to prove people they disagree with wrong. Listening to debates made me non-religious. And people who are Christian may think you a desperate. That's when it clicked: Religious apologists easily see the flaws in each others texts but never their own.
Listening to people dissect the Bible debating people who love to dissect Quran made me realize that if I was born in let's say Azerbaijan, because they've been in the news recently, I'd be a Shiite, I'd love Ali, hate Aisha, and, most importantly, I'd have been brought up to believe the Bible is full of junk. But it happens that I was born into a Bible believing family which think the Quran is junk (Chrislam is a thing).
I realized that religious people were all using the same arguments to convince the non-religious but coming to different conclusions based on no evidence. There is nothing in Kalaam Cosmological Argument, that old Arabian argument (Ilm al-Kalām) that William Lane-Craig dusted off and started using, that points to any particular deity. Yet William manages to make it say "Yaweh" even though the argument was originally about Allah.
(April 2, 2016 at 11:23 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Jesus's story is not convincing. It's a heathen story. That's why just like heathens, Christians who believe in this theory cling to idols -crosses; statues of Marry-.I don't thinking ant communicating verbally with king Salomon or Noah's flood are convincing. http://talkorigins.org/ discussing Noah's flood in great detail and shows why all of the attempts to prove it happened are silly. I think it's a story the Jews copied from the Iraq-Iran area when the Babylonians took them over there but maybe you have a better explanation.
(April 2, 2016 at 11:23 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:I'm not so sure. The Hadith go into more detail for sure. But the Quran alludes to the story. Surah seventeen is called "The Night Journey" (Sura Al-Isra), is it not? I purchased the study Quran for occasions such as this one. The Surah gets it's name from Muhammad's night journey so it's not really accurate to say the story is exclusive the the Hadith seeing as Quran came before the Hadith and has a Surah called Al-Isra.Quote: When I say Muhammad traveled between the seven heavens, what I mean is he traveled back and forth between Moses and Allah several times. This was Muhammad's night journey. Fifty prayers a day was too much so Moses wanted Allah to reduce that amount. And, with help of Muhammad, he succeed.This is a Hadith, it is not a good source for information.
The Quran never mentions such thing.
Quran 17:1 surely refers to the Muhammad's journey through the seven heavens. How do you explain the verse if it's not referencing the story of Isra and Mi'raj? What is your understanding of Quran 17:1?
This study Quran is so great. It has so much detail. It's good stuff. I could spend hours with it.