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Death Penalty
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RE: Death Penalty

I'll start again.
Dealing specifically with the death penalty, whatever arguments are made in its favour, I would reject. The question for those who support it must be are they prepared to execute innocent people, wrongly convicted. The harsh reality that it can never be 100% certain that the actual murderer is facing execution. Sadly, I have heard supporters argue that such mistakes are a price worth paying. Well not in my world!

Next, the criminal justice system in the UK. I claim some knowledge as I work as an usher in the crown court in Liverpool. The jury system is the best option and worth defending against those, for example, who would introduce either " professional juries " or even worse no juries at all.

In a criminal trial, a jury is selected from a jury panel. It is above board and fair and equitable.
That jury of the defendant's peers decides the verdict on the evidence set before them. In order to convict, the jury, either unanimously or by majority, must be SURE of guilt. If the jury is UNSURE it must acquit.
I believe that is as it should be and is a good system of justice.
Everyone can be represented by a profesional barrister regardless of how well off you happen to be.
This system operates for all criminal cases including murder.

It is not true, Kyu, that you need to be vastly wealthy and able to employ the most expensive representation to get justice. Such cases are in the minority and are sually the high profile divorce cases like the recent Paul McCartney one, for example, or chancery matters where both sides are wealthy and make their barristers even wealthier in acting for them. I lose no sleep over fat cats slugging it out amongst themselves.

Again, Kyu, you claim that you didn't enjoy your experience of jury service. You claim some of your fellow jurors brought prejudices with them into the jury room. Every one of us is prejudiced in some shape or form. I have served on a jury as well as observing juries at work and I am well aware of individual juror frailties, BUT, I still believe it is the best system we have yet come up with. Incidentally, I bet you came up with the correct verdicts??

Miscarriages of justice do happen and that is why I am passionately opposed to capital punishment.
And finally, I rarely praise our parliamentarians ( gang of utter tossers ) but the fact that they continue to oppose its reintroduction deserves my gratitude.
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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Death Penalty - by Eilonnwy - March 23, 2009 at 12:05 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 23, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 23, 2009 at 5:06 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 23, 2009 at 8:11 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 24, 2009 at 6:23 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Eilonnwy - March 23, 2009 at 8:55 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 25, 2009 at 5:43 am
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 25, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by WWLD - March 23, 2009 at 5:32 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Tiberius - March 23, 2009 at 9:09 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - March 23, 2009 at 10:45 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Tiberius - March 23, 2009 at 10:53 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - March 24, 2009 at 12:06 am
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - March 24, 2009 at 7:01 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 24, 2009 at 7:27 am
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 24, 2009 at 3:28 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Eilonnwy - March 24, 2009 at 6:58 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 24, 2009 at 7:08 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Eilonnwy - March 24, 2009 at 8:54 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by leo-rcc - March 24, 2009 at 10:21 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Rockthatpiano06 - March 25, 2009 at 2:14 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 25, 2009 at 4:50 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 25, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 26, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Giff - March 26, 2009 at 9:03 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Demonaura - March 26, 2009 at 9:26 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 26, 2009 at 9:27 am
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 26, 2009 at 3:17 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 26, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 28, 2009 at 2:29 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 28, 2009 at 5:01 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 28, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 28, 2009 at 6:46 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - March 28, 2009 at 7:21 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 29, 2009 at 4:36 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Meatball - March 29, 2009 at 5:44 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - March 30, 2009 at 3:53 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Meatball - March 28, 2009 at 4:55 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - March 28, 2009 at 10:08 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - March 29, 2009 at 7:25 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Meatball - March 29, 2009 at 11:18 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - March 30, 2009 at 4:49 am
RE: Death Penalty - by TRUTH1986 - June 12, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - June 12, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - June 13, 2009 at 12:37 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - June 13, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - June 13, 2009 at 1:49 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - June 13, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - June 13, 2009 at 5:39 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - June 13, 2009 at 6:01 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - June 13, 2009 at 6:14 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - June 14, 2009 at 4:28 am
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - June 14, 2009 at 6:45 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - June 14, 2009 at 11:57 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Edwardo Piet - June 12, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Samson - June 13, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Edwardo Piet - June 13, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - June 13, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - June 13, 2009 at 7:47 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by LEDO - June 13, 2009 at 9:06 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Edwardo Piet - June 13, 2009 at 9:13 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Samson - June 14, 2009 at 1:25 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 8:40 am
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - June 14, 2009 at 8:52 am
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - June 14, 2009 at 3:42 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Samson - June 14, 2009 at 12:48 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - June 14, 2009 at 5:24 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Edwardo Piet - June 14, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Samson - June 15, 2009 at 4:32 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - June 15, 2009 at 6:47 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Tiberius - June 15, 2009 at 10:15 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - June 15, 2009 at 10:29 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Giff - June 16, 2009 at 8:27 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Tiberius - June 16, 2009 at 11:27 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - June 16, 2009 at 3:55 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Edwardo Piet - June 16, 2009 at 5:21 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Samson - June 16, 2009 at 7:43 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by LEDO - June 16, 2009 at 9:42 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - June 17, 2009 at 2:21 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Tiberius - June 17, 2009 at 2:41 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2009 at 8:21 am
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - June 17, 2009 at 7:57 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2009 at 8:20 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - June 18, 2009 at 12:10 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Edwardo Piet - June 18, 2009 at 10:49 am
RE: Death Penalty - by RodneyEpicurus - July 29, 2009 at 8:31 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Meatball - August 2, 2009 at 4:41 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by chatpilot - August 3, 2009 at 3:06 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Kyuuketsuki - August 3, 2009 at 3:13 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - August 3, 2009 at 3:57 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Violet - August 7, 2009 at 10:52 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Minimalist - August 8, 2009 at 1:38 am
RE: Death Penalty - by padraic - August 8, 2009 at 2:54 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Minimalist - August 8, 2009 at 1:51 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Violet - August 8, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by theVOID - August 12, 2009 at 6:50 am
RE: Death Penalty - by bozo - August 12, 2009 at 7:33 am
RE: Death Penalty - by theVOID - August 12, 2009 at 7:49 am
RE: Death Penalty - by Minimalist - August 12, 2009 at 8:28 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by dry land fish - August 12, 2009 at 9:09 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Minimalist - August 12, 2009 at 9:49 pm
RE: Death Penalty - by Giff - August 25, 2009 at 4:11 am

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