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Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
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Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
This applies to the modern day civilized societies where there is means/technology to provide life in prison.

Please explain your answer.
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#2
RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
Against.  The death penalty is a sentence that, once done, cannot be undone, and one that cannot be survived.  We have a dismal record of convicting innocent people -and that's only counting the ones we know about.....we don't even have a reasonable explanation as to -why- we would kill a person rather than incarcerate them in the first place. It's just one of those things we do.......
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#3
RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
Opposed, nothing to add beyond what Rhythm had to say.
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#4
RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
In a liberal-capitalist society? No, that's an obvious answer. Too much money spent, no deterrence effect, waste of human resources and potential - We can rehabilitate many people if we truly work hard for it - Money and professionals are needed, but it's possible - Unless we're talking about a psychopath with ingrained tendencies to hurt other members of society, everyone can be rehabilitated... Our societies still base justice on an archaic conception of punishment and retribution - The "what if it was your family?" argument - It's an appeal to emotions and revenge. We can do better, and it's more profitable to re-socialize people and put them to work in something they're good at.

I'd go one step further and say retribution should simply cease to exist. Criminal punishment should seek prevention only - Whether it's by imprisoning someone for life because they are unable to function properly without damaging others; rehabilitating someone who committed a crime trough therapy or medication or simply trying to intimidate the rest of society trough deterrence.

There is a belief that though punishment leads to less crime - The truth is criminals get used to punishment. If you have lived for 30 years in a society where being executed for theft is normal, you will see it as regular punishment and still engage in thievery if you want to. On short-term cases increasing penalties can temporarily lead to a decrease in criminality, but on the long run it's useless.
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#5
RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
Absolutely against it, under any circumstances.

The main crux of this admittedly hardline view is essentially this; Once a life is taken by the state, it has been brought down to the same level as those it has executed. One of the main responsibilities of a truly civilised society is to set an example for others to follow, and by endorsing death as a punishment for a crime, that society becomes implicit in murder.

In my view, the very act of resisting the moblike urge to kill those who commit the worst crimes sends a message, that being; we are better than this, and we are better than those who committed this act.

The death penalty does not work as a deterrent, it never has. It serves no practical purpose apart from a fleeting and ultimately hollow sense of satisfaction gleaned by those that bay for blood. It cannot be reversed in cases where the condemned has been proven to be innocent after the fact. And it speaks volumes about a society that would rather end the lives of criminals permanently than make any efforts towards their rehabilitation.
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#6
RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
Against.
What Rhythm said. Also, even if we had a way to assure we had guilty people, the death penalty is not a good option.
It does not deter crime.
It does not cost less than life in prison.
It is NOT humane.

Also, there is much to be learned from people who commit heinous crimes, and you can't learn much from dead people.
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#7
RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
There are cases where I think you could argue that the death penalty would be moral, take Anders Breivik for example - there's no redeeming that guy, we absolutely know that he's guilty, he's un-repentant. The only option we have with someone like that is to keep them in a cell for the rest of their life with no hope of release or execute them. As for the argument that the death penalty make us all murderers, lowers us to being a barbaric society and so on, again using Breivik as an example there are some people who I think it reflects badly upon us if we let them live - there aren't many of these people, don't get me wrong

I voted against though, you can't have it across the board for certain crimes mainly because we don't have perfect information, even if we did I would only reserve it for the "monsters"
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#8
RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
Against in all but the most exceptional circumstances (war criminals, mass murderers etc).

I don't believe in it because I think rehabilitation and preventional measures are more worth it. Why spend so much money on killing criminals when we could be spending it on trying to prevent crime in the first place? It's a waste.

Also there's always the chance of executing someone innocent.
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
(June 18, 2015 at 8:05 pm)Saxmoof Wrote: There are cases where I think you could argue that the death penalty would be moral, take Anders Breivik for example - there's no redeeming that guy, we absolutely know that he's guilty, he's un-repentant. The only option we have with someone like that is to keep them in a cell for the rest of their life with no hope of release or execute them. As for the argument that the death penalty make us all murderers, lowers us to being a barbaric society and so on, again using Breivik as an example there are some people who I think it reflects badly upon us if we let them live - there aren't many of these people, don't get me wrong

I voted against though, you can't have it across the board for certain crimes mainly because we don't have perfect information, even if we did I would only reserve it for the "monsters"

Breivik won't live long after he leaves jail Tongue

But seriously - I don't know if he was a psychopath, I think he was just deeply committed to his ideology and believed to be doing the right thing - This is the behaviour of any fundamentalist, and sometimes it can be changed if we treat the person on time... There are some ex-radical muslims now criticizing terrorism because they left the extreme faction they used to belong to. It's hard, but not impossible.
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RE: Views on the Death Penalty? (a poll)
(June 18, 2015 at 8:08 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: Against in all but the most exceptional circumstances (war criminals, mass murderers etc).

I don't believe in it because I think rehabilitation and preventional measures are more worth it. Why spend so much money on killing criminals when we could be spending it on trying to prevent crime in the first place? It's a waste.

Also there's always the chance of executing someone innocent.

It's at least four per cent in the US.  WAY too many innocent people faced the DP.  I'm against it 100% unless a convict asks for it.

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