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His throne is on water..stunning scientific theory that the Quran foretold 1400 y ago
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RE: His throne is on water..stunning scientific theory that the Quran foretold 1400 y ago
(April 8, 2016 at 4:03 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: In regards to embryology, Muhammad's erroneous knowledge about human embryos likely comes from Gondēshāpūr, probably via the 7th century Arab physician named Harith ibn Kalada*. The Salafi/Waabis Dawah people were so owned on Embryology in the Quran that they had to completely change their narrative. After Hamza forced himself upon the embryologist PZ Myers in Dublin, Ireland, he actually conceded that afterwards got a barrage of e-mails from people, who he previous had on puppet strings, who were now doubting the Quran. Don't make the same mistakes as the close-minded idiots suckling on Saudi penis.

*Harith ibn Kalada was trained in the Hellenic (Greek) sciences at the Persian School/Academy. And this elaborated on in my next link. I forgot the name so I had to spend some time searching; I knew Harith ibn Kalada existed just I forgot his name. 

The Salafi/Wahaabis try to deny Harith ibn Kalada even existed (though I can't say that I've properly investigated the sources myself). That's their argument. They have also been known to deny the existence of Gondēshāpūr. I will be doing more investigation on Harith ibn Kalada hopefully.

You can read the paper (which I have not read in full myself; I was looking through it on the chance it had the name I was looking for, because I remembered Muhammad met some medical guy who went to Gondēshāpūr and I needed to refresh my memory):
Embryology in the Quran: Much Ado about Nothing by Captain Disguise (somebody who I believe is a native Arab speaker, though I'm not sure).
http://embryologyinthequran.blogspot.co.uk/
And also:
Download the paper itself
Remember, Muhammad was a merchant so he will have met loads of people on his extensive travels. There was not a supernatural force field preventing Muhammad from acquiring knowledge. The science in the Quran narrative degrades Muhammad by trying to convince people that Muhammad was completely retarded or something like that. I happen to think more highly of Muhammad than that: Muhammad was not an idiot

Video one:
You can watch part one of Hamza (and Adnan Rashid) VS scientists here:
(as one commentor on YouTube pointed out, at 3:35 in the video, even birds laugh at his nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rNtEdptaY

Also note video two by Captain Disguise addressing the content of video one:
Hamza Tzortzis Refuted - Version 1 vs Version 1.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh0Wh7UGflY

The greatest disaster that Muslims inherited, is claiming to be unique.
Unique as in claiming that Islam is one of a kind. Islam is an ancient religion, ancient as in existing since the dawn of history.

Hamza will never win, because the problem is in the goal he tries to prove. 
The Quran can contain things that other people have known ages before, it is even mentioned in the verses so baldly and clearly:

Sura 17
( 107 )   Say, "Believe in it or do not believe. Indeed, those who were given knowledge before it - when it is recited to them, they fall upon their faces in prostration,

( 108 )   And they say, "Exalted is our Lord! Indeed, the promise of our Lord has been fulfilled."
( 109 )   And they fall upon their faces weeping, and the Qur'an increases them in humble submission.
===
Sura 22
( 54 )   And so those who were given knowledge may know that it is the truth from your Lord and [therefore] believe in it, and their hearts humbly submit to it. And indeed is Allah the Guide of those who have believed to a straight path.
===

"Those who were given knowledge" is such an interesting phrase. So the Quran does acknowledge that there are other people who have knowledge, and reading the Quran will make both intersect; leading the honest of them to believe.

Notice that the knowledge here is not the religious knowledge. The religious knowledge has a different verse:

Sura 74
( 31 )   And We have not made the keepers of the 
Fire except angels. And We have not made their number except as a trial for those who disbelieve - that those who were given the Scripture will be convinced and those who have believed will increase in faith and those who were given the Scripture and the believers will not doubt and that those in whose hearts is hypocrisy and the disbelievers will say, "What does Allah intend by this as an example?" Thus does Allah leave astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And none knows the soldiers of your Lord except Him. And mention of the Fire is not but a reminder to humanity.

"Those who were given the scripture" is another interesting phrase; these are Christians, Jews. The remaining religions of God that survived, even though they are mere fragments.

Hamza should debate from this pov.

Technically, modern theories -like dark matter for example- are a total different case. If these are proved to be in the Quran, then that's it. It's done. And I believe -judge me for it- that judgement day is closer than the laptop I'm writing through, that if stuff like super fluid theory or dark matter turned out to be true..

 Anyhow, for a Muslim, these verses make me believe more, but I wouldn't claim it was uniquly mentioned in the Quran; maybe knowledge was given to others? even if they don't believe in God, as this verse states:

Sura 
( 18 )   Whoever should desire the immediate - We hasten for him from it what We will to whom We intend. Then We have made for him Hell, which he will [enter to] burn, censured and banished.

( 19 )   But whoever desires the Hereafter and exerts the effort due to it while he is a believer - it is those whose effort is ever appreciated [by Allah].
( 20 )   To each [category] We extend - to these and to those - from the gift of your Lord. And never has the gift of your Lord been restricted.

The debate should go like this.
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RE: His throne is on water - by Jenny A - March 25, 2016 at 10:32 pm
Not convinced - by Redbeard The Pink - March 26, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Quran Miracle - by ReptilianPeon - March 26, 2016 at 5:43 am
RE: His throne is on water..stunning scientific theory that the Quran foretold 1400 y ago - by WinterHold - April 9, 2016 at 6:21 am

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