Was Hitler a Christian?

[Redbeard The Pink]

He may not have been an atheist, because he was an evil man doesn't make him an atheist but, it pretty much eliminates him being a Christian.

Lol whatever bro. Christians are just as prone to evil as anyone else, if not more so.

That makes as much sense as, you are an atheist so your a scumbag. You know nothing about what it takes to be a Christian.

So Catholics aren't True Scotsman either, huh?

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It's not my problem, the problem belongs to non- believers like yourself. It says if a person pretends to be a Christian and claims to do work that wasn't God's work then they will wind up in hell.

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"No True Scotsman" doesn't apply here, Hitler doesn't come close to being a Christian and if you knew anything about Christianity you would know this, you're not qualified to call "No True Scotsman."

"If you were a True Scotsman, you would know Hitler wasn't a True Scotsman. No True Scotsman thinks Hitler was a True Scotsman."


Redirecting the No True Scotsman fallacy at me is not sufficient to defend your use of the No True Scotsman fallacy. If I'm "not qualified" to say one thing or another, you should be able to explain why. Simply saying "It's obvious, and if you were a True Scotsman you would know" is not an explanation.

No, I'm not joking and if you had been a Christian you would know this. The difference isn't in becoming a Christian, differences come in keeping ones salvation, in baptism, end time prophesy, food, days of worship and ect. Nearly every Christian denomination believes a person is saved by grace upon acceptance of who Christ is.

The red sentences contradict each other directly. Is becoming Christian/accepting Christ enough to save you, or isn't it?

If you were truly a Christian then you will come back to Christ, this is the teaching of the scriptures, if you do not then you were never a Christian. Scriptures also say if you were a Christian and now reject and deny God you can never come back to salvation, take your choice. nSee I can take the scriptures and give two different ideas of salvatio both could be true but, only if one has differing views of salvation. Neither of these have anything to do with becoming a Christian, but they both have something to do with confirming that one is actually a Christian.

You and your Bible are now openly contradicting yourselves left and right and blowing right past it like you don't even notice. Are you even aware of that? You seem to actually be admitting that scripture seems to say two contradictory things, and yet you still seem to be getting a consistent message from it somehow.


Furthermore, how do you know that Hitler wasn't doing God's will in some other part of his life? The actions history records are not Hitler's whole life. You have no way of knowing how devout he was or whether he did God's will during parts of his life that we don't know about.


Let me illustrate it this way: Let's say we're looking at a person that believes in Jesus, but they have some bad thing in their lives that they never manage to kick; whether it's addiction, sexual sin, witchcraft, whatever. Take your pick. Let's say that this person openly and sincerely believes in Jesus, prays and struggles their whole lives, strives toward good, manages to do what God wants them to do (his will) at least some of the time, but in their humanity they still struggle and they never manage to break free from whatever pattern they were engaged in. At the end of their lives, because they honestly believed and did accomplish god's will as much as they could, your god would forgive their sin, would he not?


So if Hitler believed and produced fruit that you don't know about but just made some horrible mistakes along the way toward the end of his life, would your god forgive him or wouldn't he? If you're saying that he wouldn't have been forgiven even if he sincerely believed and his life produced fruit we don't know about (but god does), then you're saying the Holocaust is too great a sin for your god to forgive, which is in direct contradiction with Christian doctrine. If you're saying Hitler's faith never produced fruit, you are claiming to know everything about Hitler's life, which isn't possible because there are certain events that are lost to history.


The only other assertion you could be making is that your god told you Hitler wasn't Christian, to which I would say that you need to demonstrate that you're able to talk to a being that feeds you accurate information you couldn't possibly know at a rate that is significantly better than if somebody were guessing with chance.

Yes I agree and yes this is sufficient as long as the rest of ones life shows they know what they believe, scripture also says that we (Christians) will know them by their fruit. Those who do not believe or reject God can not determine who's a Christian and who's not, this is also supported by scripture. You say how? Because all these references in scriptures are to Christians alone, never to those who are not Christians. 

And again, you are ignoring the fact that Hitler may have been fruitful in ways we don't know about, and using the government to kill busloads of Jews was just his personal struggle.

I answered this question in my response. You must have been a former Catholic, the Bible says nothing about believing in the Catholic Church, it's hierarchy has many problems and unfortunately it trickles down. Not saying Catholics aren't saved so let's not go down that road.

At least you're admitting that being Catholic doesn't automatically preclude him from being a True Scotsman.


Lol no, I was Presbyterian.

Hitler bore no fruit as a Christian would, murders, liars and ect. which Hitler was want be in heaven, God will only forgive those who truly repent and Hitler couldn't have, we know he enjoyed what he did, no remorse at all. 

Aha...so you're claiming that Hitler bore no Christian fruit, which means you're claiming to know every detail of his life. You do not know that.


Also, what you're saying about his being remorseless is not necessarily true. He rarely if ever visited the camps, for instance, because the sight of it repulsed and disturbed him. He also at various times expressed that he felt he was doing what needed to be done, not what he would rather do. He may have sincerely believed he was doing God's will. Publicly, there's certainly every indication that this was the case. To know he wasn't sincere, you would have to know what was actually in his thoughts, and you cannot know that. If God could tell you that, he should be able to tell you pretty much anything, and you should be able to demonstrate that under test conditions.

Do you really believe Hitler could be in heaven, that is if you can assume heavens real.

Ah, you got me. I don't believe anybody is in heaven because that shit is faaaaaaake.  

Salvation has nothing to do with being a good person, that's works (which further makes me believe you were a Catholic)

Yeah no, I was Presbyterian bro. And honestly, I didn't really buy into one denomination or another. I believed in salvation by grace, though.

works can't save you the NT scriptures shows this over and over. Works show that one is doing the will of God, not just being compassionate. Salvation comes through one admitting they are sinners who need God's salvation and then live a life of appreciation in obedience to God to show their salvation is the real thing. People will stray I know I have before, but they will return before they die. Your idea of a baby raper is a bit over board, but I will say that bad people who truly accept Jesus on their deathbed will go to heaven, only God will know about these people.

And to that I would once again say that you don't have enough information to make a judgement. You know what Hitler confessed with his mouth. He believed in God and Jesus and was a practicing member of a Christian church. To claim he wasn't really Christian, you would have to claim that didn't believe in his heart, and to know that you would have to either know his thoughts or you'd have to know every detail of his life to know that he never bore fruit.


Furthermore, you don't know that he didn't repent and beg God's forgiveness before his death. We don't really know what Hitler said or thought in his last moments.

I'm saying Hitler made his sins so great he would not have sought forgiveness, again we know what he did pleased him, he thought he was correct in what he did, he wasn't even by man's standards. God can forgive any sin, except for the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, but only when one humbles themselves before Him in repentance, Hitler was way to egotistical for such humility. 

Aha, so what you're actually saying is that True Scotsman might sin a little, but No True Scotsman would ever do sins as big as Hitler's...aaand look where we are again.

I'm saying he used Christianity for his own gain, to get many in Germany on his side. To use Christianity for ones own gain is a real sign that a person is most likely not a Christian.

Are you actually serious right now?


Tell that to the pastors, the churches, the politicians...oh wait...I bet they're not True Scotsman either, are they?

Salvation isn't something you use for self gain, it is a life dedicated to allow God to bring gain to Himself. If we use salvation to gain then we are not doing God's will, in actuality one would be falling for Satan's deception. 

Because No True Scotsman uses Scotland for his own personal gain, right? Right?

Hitler made his own rules, we know this as fact. Misguided to murder millions, cause a war that killed more people in the world than any other war. No he was a crazy uncaring person who enjoyed what he did.

You keep saying "we" like this adds legitimacy to what you're saying. You got a mouse in your pocket or something?

Hitler wasn't commanded by God to kill all those people, he did it out of his own ego to dominate the world, one thing he forgot God was in control another sign he wasn't a Christian.

And yet you still don't have enough information to say whether your god saved Hitler. You don't know everything about his life, and you don't know what transpired when he died.

God commanded those acts in the OT for reasons that I have asked God to explain to me because I couldn't understand, He did and no I want explain it to you because you wouldn't understand it.

Wow. I explain things to you even though I know you won't understand them, asshole.

Now for the "dashing of babies on rocks" shows me you do not know much about the Bible, God did not command that. It's a Psalm and and in that psalm that was a cures spouted by a man. You should really do your homework about the scriptures instead of repeating what others say. God has never been a war God, you do not understand what God was doing so you condemn Him because you of your lack of understanding, your desire to run God down.

 I'm aware of the passage in Psalm and what's going on there. There's also all of this:


God promises to dash the infants of Samaria against the ground and rip open the pregnant women (Hosea 13:16)


God commands the killing of infants and nursing babies (and pretty much everyone down to the livestock) in Amalek (1 Samuel 15:3)


God personally murders every firstborn child in Egypt (Exodus 12:29)


God drowns pretty much everything on Earth (Genesis 7:21-23)


Blood for the blood god...skulls for the skull throne...

Nearly everyone in the world knows Hitler wasn't a Christian, I actually had never heard such a thing until I came to this forum. People despise what Hitler did that no one pays much attention to him or what he believed, this subject gets more attention here than probably all the rest of the world or another atheist forum.

The only people insisting that Hitler wasn't Christian are Christians because it's bad press to be the same religion as Hitler. Hitler was a Christian by any useful definition of the word, and you haven't shown otherwise.

I didn't say Hitler was an atheist or satanist, he was an evolutionist, his wanting to create a superior race proves that. The German people were so afraid of Hitler and his cronies they wouldn't speak out against him. He produced this fear long before the Holocaust, the Germans were just as afraid of Hitler as were his enemies.

I don't think Evolutionist quite covers it. Hitler was a Eugenicist, which is a little more extreme than simply believing in Evolution. Besides, do you know how may Christians believe in Evolution? Are they not True Scotsman either?