RE: Can anyone please refute these verses of Quran (or at least their interpretations)?
April 20, 2016 at 3:21 pm
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2016 at 3:27 pm by WinterHold.)
(April 17, 2016 at 6:37 am)RozKek Wrote: Welcome. I will quote you one of my earlier posts which adresses this issue. I will just cut out the irrelevant parts
RozKek Wrote:AHH THE GOOD OLD SCIENTIFIC SHIT IN THE QUR'AN. When the science is "against" them they deny it! And when the science is "with" them they accept it!
Like the one where the Qur'an says that iron came from outer space. "How could Mahmoud possibly know that a stunning 1400 years ago before modern science?" Well he fucking didn't. It was knowledge taken from the ancient Egyptians, they knew about it around 5000 years ago because they harvested iron from meteorites. And I'm pretty sure you can see meteoroids (meteorites before impact) falling from outer space/the sky. So there goes one scientific "miracle" to hell. Also note that it wasn't God's words. It was ancient Egyptians knawwledge implemented into the Qur'an.
[source: http://www.nature.com/news/iron-in-egypt...ce-1.13091]
"But, what about when the Qur'an mentions the BIG BANG!?" Actually the Qur'an wasn't first. The Sumerians were, it was a sumerian creation story (didn't represent the Big Bang fyi, just misinterpreted). So the people who wrote the Qur'an thought this made sense and implemented it into the Qur'an.
[source: http://nautil.us/issue/17/big-bangs/the-...tion-story]
"Hold on, the Qur'an says that the our Earth is spherical, explain that!" Yeah, thanks to Pythagoras around 500 B.C. an ancient greek mathematician and philosophor had the brains to calculate it/know it, so, yeah. It was possible before modern science. Here again the writers of the Qur'an took knowledge from others and implemented it. Scientific "miracle"? Nope.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras] (CTRL+F search: spherical)
And don't even mention the embryo. It was also taken from the ancient greeks. They had theories on it, Aristotle studied it and even gave accurate description to the embryo development of a hound shark.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle] (CTRL+F search: embryo)
What about when the Qur'an mentions that the moon doesn't shine, but reflects the sunlight? How could Mahmodi have known that? Yet again, taken from the ancient greeks.
Anaxagoras knew that the moon reflected didn't shine and reflected light around 500 B.C
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaxagoras] (CTRL+F search: moon)
And before you ask how could Muhammed have had access to all this knowledge. Well if you didn't skip school, or at least made your research then you would have known around the times the Qur'an was written or modified, the arabic empire was huge. It stretched out very far, and they were great at trading since they made their own silver coins, which became more and more common. They had many universities filled with ancient greek knowledge, they had even learnt a lot from the Indians, including mathematics, medicine etc. And all the knowledge they've taken has been in their reach: Mesopotamia, ancient Greece, Sumer etc. Coincidence?
Also I advise you to search for something that you're skeptical about with debunked at the end. E.g "Scientific miracles debunked"
Keep in mind the last paragraph wasn't directed towards you.
Best regards,
I had an opinion about that argument:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-42223-po...pid1242465
I'm actually shocked that there are people accepting your historical lack of of info; RozKek, when you said that "Arabs had a huge empire before Islam".
Anyhow, I personally don't incline towards the science thing in the Quran that much; sure, there are these obvious verses and even more, but the main thing that makes you relate with the Quran is life and the book's logic. Nothing more, nothing less.
You can sense and feel the shortness of life, things like why the universe is so big, why evil exists, then you come to the concept of the merciful God who is at the same time vengeful, his mercy, punishment, might can all be seen in the law of the universe; how things that don't stand in line vanish and go, burned in huge cosmic explosions, but the scene gets interrupted by a dear giving birth..or baby ducks perhaps?
That what makes me believe; mainly. Scientific stuff make it stronger; make me shake too.
I don't trust scholars in general, I also don't their tone in many cases; totally not my taste, not being a sunni or shia, I go with the Quran alone, anyhow, my own way. God blesses at the end of the day.