His throne is on water..stunning scientific theory that the Quran foretold 1400 y ago

[RozKek]

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RozKek

Like the one where the Qur'an says that iron came from outer space. "How could Mahmoud possibly know that a stunning 1400 years ago before modern science?" Well he fucking didn't. It was knowledge taken from the ancient Egyptians, they knew about it around 5000 years ago because they harvested iron from meteorites. And I'm pretty sure you can see meteoroids (meteorites before impact) falling from outer space/the sky. So there goes one scientific "miracle" to hell. Also note that it wasn't God's words. It was ancient Egyptians knawwledge implemented into the Qur'an.

[source: http://www.nature.com/news/iron-in-egypt...ce-1.13091]

No, you would've won this argument if you refuted the verse, and broke it against scientific evidence.
You should focus on that. Claiming that Mohammed peace be upon him went to the pyramids, and cracked the hieroglyphic cipher, stole the egyptian knowledge, then came back to Arabia, to shower the world with stolen knowledge...Or else, how would Mohammed understand ancient Egyptian religion, when it was forgotten, you realize that Egypt was Christian at that time, and the Eastern Roman Empire was controlling it, right?

Oh well.. you can't except me to take you seriously.

"But, what about when the Qur'an mentions the BIG BANG!?" Actually the Qur'an wasn't first. The Sumerians were, it was a sumerian creation story (didn't represent the Big Bang fyi, just misinterpreted). So the people who wrote the Qur'an thought this made sense and implemented it into the Qur'an. 

[source: http://nautil.us/issue/17/big-bangs/the-...tion-story]

You do realize, that Islam is linked with Christianity, Judaism and perhaps every religion you see on earth today?
Actually if you believe in Islam, you believe that the first religion to come to earth was the monolithic faith:

( Sura 2 Verse 213 )   Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. And none differed over the Scripture except those who were given it - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path.

And Babylon was mentioned too as one of the lands the received the message:

(Sura 2 102 )   And they followed [instead] what the devils had recited during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the devils disbelieved, teaching people magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Harut and Marut. But the two angels do not teach anyone unless they say, "We are a trial, so do not disbelieve [by practicing magic]." And [yet] they learn from them that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of Allah. And the people learn what harms them and does not benefit them. But the Children of Israel certainly knew that whoever purchased the magic would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew.

Technically, the real message got twisted over the time, a little by little, up until the turned heathen.
The Quran is all about these ancient nations and how they forged the message of God, the one and only God.

"Hold on, the Qur'an says that the our Earth is spherical, explain that!" Yeah, thanks to Pythagoras around 500 B.C. an ancient greek mathematician and philosophor had the brains to calculate it/know it, so, yeah. It was possible before modern science. Here again the writers of the Qur'an took knowledge from others and implemented it. Scientific "miracle"? Nope.

[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras] (CTRL+F search: spherical)

Yeah, I made a topic that said exactly this, and it was...embarrassing.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-32041.html

 The members here ended my ignorant post. So your argument is only about ignorant people who use this as an argument.
Yep I was ignorant.

All of us were.

And don't even mention the embryo. It was also taken from the ancient greeks. They had theories on it, Aristotle studied it and even gave accurate description to the embryo development of a hound shark.

[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle] (CTRL+F search: emb

ryo)

BTW I'm a programmer xD 
As for the fetus, then good for Aristotle. yes, ancient greek had briliant minds, but you again fail to refute the Quran.

You'll refute it if for example, if God said in it that the fetus is made of plastic or something.

What about when the Qur'an mentions that the moon doesn't shine, but reflects the sunlight? How could Mahmodi have known that? Yet again, taken from the ancient greeks.
Anaxagoras knew that the moon reflected didn't shine and reflected light around 500 B.C
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaxagoras] (CTRL+F search: moon)

I'm astonished by Mohammed's -peace be upon him- great wide mind, that could :

1-Decipher ancient Egyptian language
2-Travel to Greece and learn there
3-Write in Arabic, despite him not knowing how to read or write
4-Learn in different languages, while he can't even write in his own language.

Stunning.

I don't care enough to mention others, if there are any... And before you ask how could Muhammed have had access to all this knowledge. Well if you didn't skip school, or at least made your research then you would have known around the times the Qur'an was written or modified, the arabic empire was huge. It stretched out very far, and they were great at trading since they made their own silver coins, which became more and more common. They had many universities filled with ancient greek knowledge, they had even learnt a lot from the Indians, including mathematics, medicine etc. And all the knowledge they've taken has been in their reach: Mesopotamia, ancient Greece, Sumer etc. Coincidence?

Don't bother. They worthy of kinder garden debates.
You can use them against Sunni/Shia Muslims and irritate them with them -especially saying Mahmoudi-.

As for the line that destroyed you in my eyes, along with the ignorance you made me waste my time answering, Arabs never got an empire before Islam.
Since you're mentally challenged in this regard, I won't give you articles to read, but documentries to watch:





Stop wasting my time please.

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I'll respond in order from top to bottom.

Alright, let's say that he didn't crack the code all by himself, blablabla. The point is that the knowledge of iron coming from outer space was well known without the help of god. So the only option isn't that god gave them the knowledge. To answer "How could people have known it before modern science without the help of god?" Apparently they could and they did. Even if it wasn't taken from the Ancient Egyptians, they themselves could have known and implementend the knowledge into the Qur'an. Therefore the argument "How could they have known etc" is not valid.

First you got to provide evidence that the Qur'an is a reliable source before taking its word that the first religion ever was monolithic.
The Qur'an mentioning Babylon is just a stronger indication that they most likely have taken knowledge from there. But there is still no evidence that the "message" was from a god. Yes, they are linked and have similiar textures, but I do not see how it is evidence for god. Just that the writers thought that was from god and spread the information. Also the interesting thing here is, the Babylonians are mentioned in the Qur'an and the muslims came in good contacts with the Babylonians (Mesopotamia - North Africa) after Muhammad's death. Since the Babylonians were mentioned in the Qur'an I'd say that is a quite strong indication that the Qur'an was written/finished/modified around or after the times the islamic/arabic empires had good access to knowledge/trading etc, like I have mentioned. 
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mu..._dynasties] (read History)
Also you again, you use the Qur'an as a reliable source when saying the message got twisted over time and that the message was forged by ancient nations etc. You got to prove the Qur'an true before making claims in the name of it.

It isn't embarrassing to be corrected. We've all been corrected.

My point here is that it was known without the help of god. And I did mention the muslims had good access to greek knowledge. If I remember correctly by the 12th century they had 20 universities with preserved greek knowledge. So that is a very strong indication that the muslims got the knowledge from the greeks and implemented it into the Qur'an. It wasn't some sort of miracle, therefore it isn't evidence for the Qur'an being true. Also since the Qur'an mentions the Babylonians which came in good contact with the islamic empires after Muhammed's death which as I earlier said indicates that the Qur'an was written/finished/modified after Muhammed's death allows for the implementation of greek knowledge too.
Also: "He is created from a drop (of sperm) emitted-- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs. (Qur'an 86:6-7)" Is wrong, sperm doesn't originate between the backone and the ribs. And "clothed the bones with flesh (Quran 23:13-14)" Is also wrong, living tissue grows first, then bones. There, I presented you errors in the Qur'an. Isn't that actually enough to dismiss the whole Qur'an?

You very very well know that you're just dumbing down what I said. Obviously he didn't do such things by himself. I've stated before that the muslims had good access to greek knowledge. 

Funny how you highlight my words yet you seem to believe that I said the Arabs had an empire before Islam. I didn't. I said "Around the times the Qur'an was written or modified". 
Maybe I was wrong with it being huge and stretching out very far. But I certainly wasn't wrong when it comes to "... they were great at trading since they made their own silver coins, which became more and more common. They had many universities filled with ancient greek knowledge, they had even learnt a lot from the Indians, including mathematics, medicine etc. And all the knowledge they've taken has been in their reach: Mesopotamia, ancient Greece, Sumer etc. Coincidence?".
And no thanks to the documentary, it seems biased.

Excuse me if I have any typos, misspellings etc. Yet again, I wrote this quite late at night.
I hope you approach my response rationally.