RE: The main reason I'm an atheist
April 30, 2016 at 4:05 am
(This post was last modified: April 30, 2016 at 4:16 am by Wryetui.)
(April 29, 2016 at 8:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(April 29, 2016 at 7:12 pm)Wryetui Wrote: That is, what we could call, speculation. No matter how big the universe is, I do not know if God has actually done something to that vast universe (I am talking about outside of the Milky Way), but I do know for sure that God has personal interest in human affairs, as you put it. That is proven by the fact that since the very human ever existing (Adam) God never stoped having a relationship with humanity, ultimately seeking to redeem it from the corruption and death that its ancestors (Adam and Eve) have put them to, by uniting the fallen human nature with the divine nature of Christ, God. If you do not believe that God is intimately united with every human person on earth and is present at every movement you make, or every thought you think, you are not talking about christianity, because this is exactly what christianity states.
We have a Muslim here named Mystic, nice enough guy, but he also posts large blocks of texts and BOLDs his naked assertions like you just did here. You may be the nicest person, but that doesn't make your god real anymore than when he does it.
How about YOU consider that it is merely something you were sold by someone else and something you merely want to be true?
You really are going to have a difficult time here trying to convince us. We've accepted the age of the planet and universe and the amount of galaxies in it based on scientific fact, not based on old books written by scientifically ignorant humans. It was understandable back then when humans didn't know any better, but we have much better tools to measure the nature of reality now.
Religion is pretending you can use a kaleidoscope in place of a telescope.
"but that doesn't make your god real anymore than when he does it.", and how is that, exactly? I will never understand why most of the atheists stop when they hear the "multiple God argument", just like you did here: "How is your God better than his God?!". For me, this is poor science and an anti-intellectual attitude.
"How about YOU consider that it is merely something you were sold by someone else and something you merely want to be true?", I am asking this exact question to you.
"You really are going to have a difficult time here trying to convince us.", convincing you of what, exactly? I am not here in this forum to convince anyone, I am here for the mere pleasure of debate.
"We've accepted the age of the planet and universe and the amount of galaxies in it based on scientific fact, not based on old books written by scientifically ignorant humans.", exactly as I do, where did you get the assumption that I do not believe that the age of the galaxies and the amount of them are scientifical? What book are you talking about? What exactly were you trying to say here?
"Religion is pretending you can use a kaleidoscope in place of a telescope.", nice metaphor, I didn't know you liked poetry. But I do not accept blank statements so in order for me to believe you, you will have to deffend your phrase. If not, I will not.
(April 29, 2016 at 8:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Oh the story of Adam and Eve does not explain how humans arrived. Evolution does.
But if you want to talk about the morality of that story, and it is just a story. It is a vile story. You have two innocent characters who were thrust into a position with no prior say going in and know knowledge to consent to what they got put into. God makes a bet with the Lucifer character and that puts the Adam and Eve characters as pawns, poker chips in a rigged bet they had no say in, and get punished for something they didn't set up in the first place.
Empty statements everywhere, I see.
It is a cool story you told me here, I have never heard it before. Where can I get this information? My information about Adam and Eve come from the Sacred Scripture interpreted through the Sacred Tradition but it is nothing like that. Where can I get your information from?
(April 29, 2016 at 8:37 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Oh and neither Christians or Jews are the only religions with creation myths. Oh and Jews, for your information depending on the individual or sect say Lilith, not Eve, was the first woman. But regardless, neither are not the only creation myths in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation_myths
I was expecting for you to actually make a point here, but you didn't. Did you wanted to say something?
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