(May 2, 2016 at 1:39 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:I do not know what "evidence" you are referring to, but the very main reason why I believe my theology is right and theirs is wrong is because the Orthodox Church has kept the original theology of the Church Fathers of the early centuries, the first theology that existed. If you read the writings of the early Church Fathers you will see that they are describing pretty much what the Orthodox Church is right now, the same beliefs, practices, ecclesiology... The Catholic Church was pretty much the same, but since the Great Schism, its theology changed drastically, now it is a product of the middle ages. The theology of the non-chalcedonian churches, was created by Eutiches and his monophysitism in the 5th century, they also claim to be the original Church with the original theology, bu, what happened to the first five centuries, since their theology was created before Chalcedon? I am not here to criticize the sincere convictions of other christians, but history is history.(April 30, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Wryetui Wrote: I can see pretty well that here people do not actually want to learn anything, you have proven to be very aggresive to the views you do not agree with, and did what you knew best, as I see, mockery and ridiculizing. Collectively in this post I have seen that you have very wrong ideas about christianity and, the worst of all, you do not plan on learning about why they are wrong but rather shield yourselves against everything that will go against your beliefs. It is very curious, in my opinion, that you show exactly the same behavior as your fellow "christian" debaters, but that doesn't seem to bother you.
The german philosopher, Wilhelm Hegel, held an interesting idea: You have to be very attentive at the ideas that are contrary to yours because they, most likely, hold a truth inside them. It is very clear to me that your atheism show all the "garbage" that protestant and roman-catholic theology begot, and your atheism is the refutation of the God that is a product to said theology, that is why aggresiveness is shown in every each of you when talking about this said God.
I have the suspicion that men today believe in God more than at any other time in human history. Men know the gospel, the teaching of the Church, and God’s creation better than at any other time. They have a profound consciousness of His existence. Their atheism is not a real disbelief. It is rather an aversion toward somebody we know very well but whom we hate with all our heart, exactly as the demons do.
You hate God, that is you we ignore Him, overlooking Him as if you did not see Him, and pretending to be atheists. In reality you consider Him your enemy par excellence. Your negation is your vengeance, your atheism is your revenge. But why do you hate God? You hate Him not only because "your" deeds are dark while God is light, but also because you consider Him as a menace, as an imminent and eternal danger, as an adversary in court, as an opponent at law, as a public prosecutor and an eternal persecutor. To you, God is no more the almighty physician who came to save them from illness and death to you, but rather a cruel judge and a vengeful inquisitor.
You see, the devil managed to make men believe that God does not really love us, that He really only loves Himself, and that He accepts us only if we behave as He wants us to behave; that He hates us if we do not behave as He ordered us to behave, and is offended by our insubordination to such a degree that we must pay for it by eternal tortures, created by Him for that purpose.
Who can love a torturer? Even those who try hard to save themselves from the wrath of God cannot really love Him. They love only themselves, trying to escape God’s vengeance and to achieve eternal bliss by managing to please this fearsome and extremely dangerous Creator. Do you perceive the devil’s slander of our all loving, all kind, and absolutely good God? That is why in Greek the devil was given the name diabolos, “the slanderer”.
"Yeah, well, you guys have just obviously been listening to Catholics and Protestants, and they aren't even True Scotsmen!"
If your theology is right and theirs is wrong, demonstrate that with evidence. Otherwise, Orthodox Christians have no more claim to "True Christianity" than anyone else. Unless you have evidence to back up your claims, they are no better than the claims of the Christians you denounce, and you're guilty of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy...again.
A Church cannot change, in my opinion, at all, merely because God does not change and His Church must be a reflection of Him, once a Church changes it becomes clearly that it is the subject of human guidance, not divine.
"Let us commit ourselves and one another and our whole life to Christ, our God"
- Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom
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