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Free Will - Yes/No?
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
(May 8, 2016 at 2:42 pm)Aroura Wrote:
(May 8, 2016 at 2:08 pm)pocaracas Wrote: hehe!
I agree the logic is tricky, at best.

Best leave it as Losty says... even if we are all products of deterministic forces, we like to think as if we aren't, so just leave that feeling as it is.

But why?  People feel like there is a God, and we don't just accept that, we investigate the truth of it.  
Why should we just let this particular illusion (if that is what it is) be?

Why?
Because I'm tired.
Tired of saying the same things in thread after thread on free will...
Biology is deterministic.
Quantum random effects are too tiny to play any role on biology. Hence, our brains operate as deterministic biological machines.
So, too, our thoughts are deterministic.

There's no escaping this.
But it feels like our minds are independent from our biology.
Somewhere along the way, there's a sort of abstraction layer between our brains and our minds... How it works is anyone's guess...
I'm not sure we'll ever get to the bottom of that. The best bet is to replicate a mind by using A.I.... But, even if we accomplish that, it will not be proof that that's how our brains work.
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Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:00 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 3:32 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Fake Messiah - May 8, 2016 at 5:15 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Alex K - May 8, 2016 at 5:21 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:13 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 5:29 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 7:50 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 5:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 6:06 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:14 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 12:20 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by paulpablo - May 8, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 7:52 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by deleteduser12345 - May 8, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 4:44 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by paulpablo - May 8, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 5:16 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 5:59 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:24 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:35 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:46 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:54 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by brewer - May 8, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 8:17 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by brewer - May 8, 2016 at 8:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 8:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by brewer - May 8, 2016 at 8:22 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:12 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 9:29 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 9:27 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by vorlon13 - May 8, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Aroura - May 8, 2016 at 2:42 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 3:29 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by PETE_ROSE - May 8, 2016 at 9:45 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 10:49 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by PETE_ROSE - May 8, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Whateverist - May 8, 2016 at 11:05 am
Free Will - Yes/No? - by LadyForCamus - May 8, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:15 am
Free Will - Yes/No? - by LadyForCamus - May 8, 2016 at 11:22 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:29 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:35 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 11:48 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:09 pm
Free Will - Yes/No? - by LadyForCamus - May 8, 2016 at 12:05 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 12:24 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:44 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:59 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 12:15 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:21 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 12:41 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:05 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 1:56 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 1:31 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 1:48 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 7:27 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Aroura - May 8, 2016 at 1:35 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 4:17 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 5:50 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 6:15 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 9, 2016 at 1:25 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 9, 2016 at 9:08 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 4:35 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 2:49 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 5:01 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by deleteduser12345 - May 8, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 5:13 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 6:07 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 7:33 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 7:53 pm
Free Will - Yes/No? - by LadyForCamus - May 8, 2016 at 7:17 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 7:40 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 7:34 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 7:45 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ApeNotKillApe - May 8, 2016 at 7:49 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 9:24 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by vorlon13 - May 8, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 9, 2016 at 12:15 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 9, 2016 at 2:20 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Aroura - May 9, 2016 at 9:57 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 9, 2016 at 10:08 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 9, 2016 at 11:07 pm
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