Existence of a soul etc, continued...
April 14, 2011 at 6:45 am
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2011 at 6:45 am by lilphil1989.)
This is a continuation of the discussion which developed here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-6232-page-6.html
Please learn the scientific definition of the word theory.
How might you prove the existence of a soul outside of physical reality?
Can I prove the absence? Nope. But that's not the point. If you claim something exists and can't offer any evidence that it does, then the default position is not to believe. The burden of proof is on the claimant.
What's your point? 500 years ago people couldn't go to the moon, even with their latest technologies.
The fact that we're currently unable to do something does not imply that it is fundamentally impossible.
But that's exactly what you're doing! "Man can't build a living organism yet, therefore life must have been given by god". That's exactly the god of the gaps argument.
Can you lay out your arguments for a finely-tuned universe?
What lies and false "facts" are you referring to?
Care to offer some evidence?
Carnavon Wrote:The point is basically that it is still a theory...
Please learn the scientific definition of the word theory.
Carnavon Wrote:If there was any "physical" characteristics such a electromagnetic fields, there would be no discussion, yes? I have not suggested that a soul may be physically proven. Can you prove the absence?
How might you prove the existence of a soul outside of physical reality?
Can I prove the absence? Nope. But that's not the point. If you claim something exists and can't offer any evidence that it does, then the default position is not to believe. The burden of proof is on the claimant.
Carnavon Wrote:Excellent! You prove that even with the latest technologies and despite the fact that experiments are targeted towards very specific outcomes (and not non-directional), there is still no success (Venter still had to rely on existing living material)
What's your point? 500 years ago people couldn't go to the moon, even with their latest technologies.
The fact that we're currently unable to do something does not imply that it is fundamentally impossible.
Carnavon Wrote:Yep, it is a belief or rather should I say wish on your part. You suggest that I believe in God because I cannot explain things and hence attribute it to God? No, to the contrary, the fantastic creation, the very finely tuned universe, the dependability of laws of nature etc convinces me on an intellectual level of the existence of God. On a spiritual level, He has changed my life and removed the fear of death altogether.
In oppopsition to this, I see lies associated with "discoveries" that is supposed to discredit the Bible, assumptions and theories (despite knowledge that the "facts" presented are false) presented as the "truth". And you believe in that? It is a decision to disbelieve, it seems to me, irrespective of the facts.
But that's exactly what you're doing! "Man can't build a living organism yet, therefore life must have been given by god". That's exactly the god of the gaps argument.
Can you lay out your arguments for a finely-tuned universe?
What lies and false "facts" are you referring to?
Quote:Yes, actually one day apart.
Care to offer some evidence?
Galileo was a man of science oppressed by the irrational and superstitious. Today, he is used by the irrational and superstitious who claim they are being oppressed by science - Mark Crislip
