RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 20, 2016 at 1:48 am
(This post was last modified: May 20, 2016 at 1:52 am by wiploc.)
(May 20, 2016 at 1:30 am)ignoramus Wrote:(May 20, 2016 at 12:46 am)wiploc Wrote: I'm a strong atheist: I believe that there are no gods.
I will share some of my reasoning.
Can you please tell me if you think there is a difference between believing there are no gods to knowing there are no gods?
I believe there are no gods, but I could be wrong, so my belief is not knowledge.
Quote:We'be been told a million times that God is outside of time and space and hence undetectable.
That's one point of view.
If a god doesn't exist at any time, and doesn't exist in any place, then not being detectable is the least of its problems.
Quote:Which leads me to say that God is unknowable.
But you don't know that, do you?
If a god is unknowable, then you can't know even whether it is knowable.
Quote:Hence we CANNOT know that he doesn't exist.
The flip side obviously is that theists also cannot know.
Right: about unknowable gods, they know nothing.
Quote:To me, anyone who is certain that they know one way or the other is yanking his own chain...
I'm a gnostic strong atheist when it comes to the SCG (standard Christian god). That god is shot thru with logical contradictions; it cannot exist. It can do anything, but it can't defeat iron chariots. It can be seen but it can't be seen. It is totally loving, but it tortures people forever. It is totally just but nonetheless merciful. It is all-knowing, but it can't find the kids in the garden. It is omnipresent, but it uses pillars of fire to get around. It created X before Y in one creation story, and Y before X in another. It is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, and yet it coexists with evil.
Like square circles and married bachelors, the SCG does not exist.
Off-brand variants of the Christian gods are possible, even if they aren't plausible. But the SCG does not exist.
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