(May 21, 2016 at 10:27 am)Jehanne Wrote:(May 21, 2016 at 10:00 am)Heatheness Wrote: Why are you holding on to the possibility?
With no evidence there's just no reason to consider it. Man has been making up myths to explain things that they are too ignorant to understand and too egotistical to admit they don't know since man began. There is tons of evidence for that. There is no evidence for gods. Never has been. No reason to consider it even possible.
Here's a great video where Craig takes to pin atheism down to strong atheism only and Shermer discusses how man made god and not vice-a-versa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7EvwITW-SA
A clear win for Dr. Shermer.
I disagree. I think Dr. Shermer's attempts to stay light-hearted about it allowed Dr. Craig to get away with some pretty preposterous broad statements about the amount of evidence for his claims, which he asserted he had defended successfully at "many universities". I know it wasn't a debate, but I found most of Dr. Shermer's answers to be a bit vague and empty, when I know he is often quite eloquent (in writing) about the problems with Craig's philosophical "proofs" for evidence of a creator. Unfortunately, WLC oozes personality, and to most people listening to that argument, they would care more about how WLC sounds than about the careful application of skepticism shown by Shermer.
Which is, of course, the whole problem in a nutshell.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
