Women earn less than Men

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-p...lete-myth/

http://www.businessinsider.com/actually-...yth-2011-3

http://thefederalist.com/2015/05/06/ther...qual-work/

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true...o-podcast/


I'm starting to see what the confusion is regarding the subject among many people.

"Gender pay gap" is real and fake, at the same time.
It is real because of the confusing way people interpret evidence.

How a typical person thinks about the subject goes like this:
Is there evidence that shows that women earn less than men? Yes.
Therefore women are discriminated against.
I mean, why wouldn't they be discriminated against? There is clear evidence that shows women earn less than men for the same job.
(This line of reasoning is closely interrelated with the reasoning behind The "Stalin was an atheist" argument.)


Now let me explain why it is fake and misleading:

Imagine a study showing that there are less people from the religion of Buddhism and Islam in top managerial positions?  
Does this prove that there is a discrimination against these religious groups?

Did you know that there are less black people with higher education?  
Does this prove black people are discriminated against in educational institutions?

Imagine a study showing less to no CEO's of software companies working part time for Mc Donalds.
Does this prove CEO's are discriminated against at Mc Donalds?

Imagine a study showing less black people having pools in their house as opposed to white people or Asians.
Does this prove that pool companies are discriminated against black people?

Imagine a study showing less islamists hired as pilots.
Does this show that airline companies are discriminated against islamists?

The problem with these studies that proves wage gap exists is that although they show that women earn less compared to men, it provides 0 correlation as gender being the only factor that affects the earning income. If it did then there is evidence for gender wage gap, which is why I have repeatedly explained that there is no gender wage gap as it correlates with discrimination and there has been no evidence presented to prove that discrimination, although there is a gender earnings gap since there has been evidence provided to prove that there is a variation in the amount of money a particular gender earn in their work.

The same way if a study showed that little to no CEO's of software companies are working in Mc Donalds, it only shows what it says, it provides no evidence that shows correlation for CEO'S being in that position being the only factor that plays into them not working at Mc Donalds. If it did then there is evidence for CEO'S being discriminated at Mc Donalds.


Whenever people are asked for evidence for Gender wage gap they provide evidence for gender earnings gap.

To prove gender earnings gap you have to provide evidence that women earn less than men.

To prove gender wage gap you have to provide evidence that women earn less than men AND evidence for gender being the only factor that affects this variation in income.

Logic like this comes so natural to me I didn't realize some people may not actually "get" it as much as I did. That was the reason why I was very frustrated and annoyed before when discussing this subject because in my mind people know this is fake but are acting as though they don't, my responses were based on those assumptions and thus caused so much confusion.
I hope people have started "getting" it now, if not I'll explain even further. You just have to ask. :')

Such a narcissist ...

You didn't even provide an adequate critique of the study I linked to because ... you know why? You didn't really read it. And any layman can come up with the overdone "sample size is small", "it's just surveys" critique which isn't even valid in this case.

Your response to my last post instead was about whether I would be willing to hire lean women to move boxes? lol, moron

Nope, the study you posted is too vague and arrive at false conclusions. Choosing a gender over another gender can be because of many different reasons it isn't always because of discrimination.

For example, software programming firms are notorious for having less women. If a team of 10 male software programmers were asked to choose between a female or a Male(same qualification) to add to their team they would 10/10 choose a female candidate.
This doesn't however mean those men are misandrists.

I'm not saying the study you posted have 0% to do with discrimination because I have no way to know, what I'm saying is that there are too many factors that study has failed to analyze that I just can't pretend to not know that there are other factors and just conclude discrimination. I'm unbiased like that.

Ps If you can present a more detailed study, I'd be willing to look at it.