Reverend Wrote:Like I said before, I like you most of the times...but every now and then you creep me out...it isnt meant to be rude or mean to you. Its just what you posted made my skin crawlFascinating that it makes people's skin crawl to not be disturbed by a thing. Rocks must be truly hair raising.

(April 19, 2011 at 6:11 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: I'd like to answer that kindly but my father was inside the Pentagon at the time and we had to wait far too long to hear if he was okay as well as my great-aunt up in NY.
Also, I'd worry if the imagery of people jumping out of buildings and running away covered in dust and massive destruction didn't affect you in the least. I really hope you're joking.
Not in the least. If someone I cared about was there, then I would care... but it wouldn't be about the death and destruction: it would be about their safety in the wake of it.
Even watching videos of it today, I still can't find myself caring. Infact, the buildings manner of collapsing is somewhat entertaining, as I would never have expected a building to break straight south

Orogenicman Wrote:Agreed. It was a very upsetting day for nearly all of us, I'd say. My cousin was a commander and Navy Chaplain who had been at the Pentagon earlier that morning, and was at Ronnie Raygun Airport when the plane struck the Pentagon. A week later, we received a letter from him. He had been attached to a British (SAS) special forces unit, and couldn't say where they were. All he could tell us was that they were "bugs on a wall". Reportedly, they were among the first to go into Afganistan. Frightening times, indeed.
Frightening? Not really. Had it occurred several times then I would be frightened about how much power they had. But one fluke success and a country goes to war over it? It's as bad as an erratic militaristic Klackon on Impossible difficulty.
Summer Wrote:I understand, in a way - there were some people who had neither family in those areas nor lived there themselves who become unnecessarily hysterical.
But at the same time, I would hope you understand that some of the emotional outbursts would be from empathy, and I acknowledge that a lot of it was fear.
I acknowledge that many people are frightened of such things, but as a child I likely didn't care from an underdeveloped sense of empathy... and today I have a personality that is neither surprised by such news nor concerned in any way with a few occurrences of death and destruction.
Quote:My father framed the next day's Washington Post's front page and has it tucked away in his office. The headlines and pictures still produce a gut-wrenching reaction.
I went to a high school where about half (and that's low-balling) of our parents worked in and around DC. It was like an electrical current running through the entire building even before the vice-principle announced what had happened. I can't imagine multiplying that terror by 1000 by living in NY.
This isn't about nationalities or ideologies or religions. Purely from a human standpoint, the sight of rampant hateful destruction ought to cause at least some sort of emotional response.
The sight of destruction (hateful or not, it is destruction) doesn't faze me unless it is in regards to someone I care (a lot) about. Most emotional response of the kind I've ever felt was flipping a 4-wheeler trailer carrying a lover. Had it been carrying something less, it is unlikely that I would have panicked as I did.
On that subject, panic is a surefire way to reduce one's effectiveness in *any* situation. I suppose we evolved it because any reaction is safer than no reaction at all.
Iamatheist Wrote:Yeah I'd like to whole-heartedly agree with you, I'm not sure where it came into this debating whether or not 9/11 affected us.. I'm a UK citizen and my heart stopped for those involved on that day. Regardless of religion a large loss of life on that scale is an entirely human issue and "not-caring" is an entirely inhuman thought.. I hope that Aerzia has a point to be made from that post..
I'm inhuman because I am detached from the masses? How collectivistic

Honestly, it is a tiny loss of life. Raise the depravity value (ie: Rhwanda), raise the body count (hundred thousand at least), build a significant effect upon the environment (nuking). People are getting caught in how loved ones were lost, and not that they were lost. People die, some people die painfully, why go nuts over this nonsense and cause even more people to die pointlessly?
Summer Wrote:I didn't want it to get into a debate about 9/11 - it just bothered me that Sae said something like that, is all.
I don't intend to debate 9/11 (actually, wasn't it 11/9/2001? Fucking american style of day-month-year...), but I will debate why it bothers people that I should say something 'like that'

Reverend Wrote:That, in fact, was the specific thing that touched me the most during 9/11..seeing those people decide wether to die in the fire or jump out of the window. It wasnt a choice of live or die, it was a choice of which death they concidered to be the least horrible or painful.
THAT really got to me. I came to the conclusion after watching them jump that there is no such thing as a loving god.
And that decision doesn't upset me either. Death will arrive upon every doorstep, it may be that death visits some before the rest.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day