(April 19, 2011 at 4:09 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: It matters very much how many die/are brutalized. One priest molesting a handful of children is of little concern. An entire organization that defends many more priests molesting far more children is of major concern.
I think you were misunderstanding my point, which I might not have communicated effectively. Perhaps I should have said that beyond the real terror for my own family members, there was an empathetic human reaction to other human suffering that I get regardless of body count. I thought this was a natural human sympathetic emotion.
Btw, one priest molesting a handful of children is only of "little" concern in comparison. I'm sure to the handful of children he diddled, it was a major fucking concern.
Two people die because of a murderer. Two thousand die because of terrorists. Two hundred thousand to two million because of a selfish dictator. It's all a tragedy. That's all I'm saying.
(April 19, 2011 at 4:09 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: How is the way by which a person dies relevant to the fact that they are now dead? I'd rather people didn't suffer greatly too, but death is unchanged by how much pain was suffered before its occurrence.
I didn't say I wouldn't rather my dad alive, I just stated I cared that he didn't die in a fucking explosion rather than comfortably as possible. The dead don't care after the fact, no, but that doesn't change that I'd rather them not suffer. Again with that empathy thing.
(April 19, 2011 at 4:09 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: The causation of the effect should not be tied in a part of the effect. The effect is a separate issue, and joining effect and cause together is to disservice the value of both. While we're at it, let's also charge the dead for standing someplace they shouldn't have been standing, as the effect would certainly not have occurred had they not. A raving murderous muslim that has committed the crime of killing is a separate being from those slain by said murderer. Hate the murderer that kills him all you wish, but don't hate them by tarnishing your memory of your father in the process. That's just counterproductive
I'm not quite sure what the hell you're talking about here. I don't blame my dad for being at the Pentagon - he's a military/government lawyer and that's his job. I fully blame Osama and the terrorists, not my dad for being where he was supposed to be that day. As I said above - if he dies in a fireball or in a hospital bed, I still have to divy up his possessions. It doesn't change that I'd rather he go out with comfort than pain. Where are you getting this?
(April 19, 2011 at 4:09 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: They apparently struck true to the heart of america... america's response was a number of wars in other countries that killed far more people. And that's why you shouldn't have hyper-emotional people leading a nation
1) Emotions aren't bad things. Sorry you have decided to think otherwise.
2) We didn't have an "emotional" leader. We had a religious right wing fuck nut who was fighting the rest of his daddy's war.
3) I never condoned the war in Afghanistan or Iraq.
4) if they thought destroying a military headquarters and a center of commerce was striking the "heart" of American, they were deluded. Obviously.
(April 19, 2011 at 4:09 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: It was a very interesting collapse. Since they took so long to fall, I find it quite amusing that people were there to 'flee' in the first place. The whole thing was poorly handled, from start to finish. Try not to blame me too much for being amused at failure on that scale
[opening mouth and shutting it]
I can't. I really just can't respond. Wow.
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