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God is in charge of the world.
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RE: God is in charge of the world.
(June 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm)Lek Wrote:
(June 4, 2016 at 6:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Sorry, Lek, but God bears a good deal more responsibility for things than just allowing them.  If God is omnipotent and creative, then God created the decisions made by human beings (check of statement:  If there is anything that happens without God's having created it, then God is not omnipotent).  It isn't as if God just stands idly by and lets 14 years old Susan be raped, tortured and killed - God created rapists, torturers, killers, and the desires and decisions to rape, torture and kill.  God, in effect, is ultimately responsible for every act of evil that has ever occurred, both moral and natural (if you like, I'll be delighted to point out why free will cannot exist in the context of an all-powerful God, but that's not immediately germane).

You might want to look up the Parable Of The Insane Dog Breeder.  It's a quick read and explains the ultimate paucity of Christian morality as pertains to moral evil.

Boru
No. God created beings who could make evil decisions, but he gave us the opportunity to make our own decisions.  Knowing what decisions we will make is not the same as actually making the decisions. I will agree that God could stop evil from happening, but then he would be going against the decision he made to give us free will.  We would be nothing but puppets and you wouldn't have the choice to reject him either.  We do the evil acts, but if you want to believe that God is responsible for it all then go ahead.

Wrong again. As an omnipotent, omniscient Being, God created everything, including our decisions and choices. In the context of such a Being, there can logically be no free will. If you buy into the rubbish that God created the universe, then God knew, from the beginning of time, that I would be an atheist - I had no choice in the matter, just as you had no choice in believing the most outlandish collection of fairy stories ever inflicted on the western world. If God made everything, then God made me an atheist, made you a believer, made rapists, torturers, and murderers. God is directly responsible for evil, full stop.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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God is in charge of the world. - by Silver - June 2, 2016 at 9:37 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 2, 2016 at 9:38 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Minimalist - June 2, 2016 at 9:51 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by YahwehIsTheWay - June 4, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 4, 2016 at 7:57 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by YahwehIsTheWay - June 4, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Cecelia - June 2, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 2, 2016 at 11:10 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 2, 2016 at 11:57 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by KevinM1 - June 2, 2016 at 11:13 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 2, 2016 at 11:51 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by KevinM1 - June 3, 2016 at 12:11 am
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 3, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 3, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:10 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Silver - June 3, 2016 at 10:13 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 3, 2016 at 10:15 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:19 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 3, 2016 at 10:33 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:38 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 3, 2016 at 10:44 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:59 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 3, 2016 at 11:03 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 3, 2016 at 11:05 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Joods - June 3, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:17 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Silver - June 3, 2016 at 10:19 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 3, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by ignoramus - June 3, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Ravenshire - June 4, 2016 at 1:54 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 4, 2016 at 7:41 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 4, 2016 at 8:44 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Magilla - June 4, 2016 at 11:44 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 5, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 5, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 5, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 5, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 5, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 4, 2016 at 10:45 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 5, 2016 at 8:47 am
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by robvalue - June 3, 2016 at 12:11 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Vincent - June 3, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 3, 2016 at 1:19 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by robvalue - June 3, 2016 at 1:35 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Silver - June 3, 2016 at 10:24 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:29 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Silver - June 3, 2016 at 10:32 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:36 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Silver - June 3, 2016 at 10:38 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:39 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Silver - June 3, 2016 at 10:40 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 3, 2016 at 10:40 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 10:47 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 3, 2016 at 10:50 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 3, 2016 at 10:50 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 11:04 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Silver - June 3, 2016 at 11:08 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 3, 2016 at 11:09 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 3, 2016 at 11:10 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 4, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 4, 2016 at 4:25 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by IATIA - June 4, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by KevinM1 - June 4, 2016 at 5:01 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Cecelia - June 4, 2016 at 1:55 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Ravenshire - June 4, 2016 at 5:47 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Ravenshire - June 4, 2016 at 2:03 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Gemini - June 3, 2016 at 10:43 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 3, 2016 at 10:29 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Silver - June 3, 2016 at 10:48 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Gemini - June 3, 2016 at 11:00 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 3, 2016 at 11:07 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Minimalist - June 4, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by LastPoet - June 4, 2016 at 5:04 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by KevinM1 - June 4, 2016 at 7:27 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by KevinM1 - June 4, 2016 at 8:04 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Minimalist - June 4, 2016 at 9:25 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 5, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 5, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Minimalist - June 5, 2016 at 1:28 am
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by robvalue - June 5, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 5, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Ravenshire - June 5, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by Lek - June 6, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by dyresand - June 6, 2016 at 11:57 am
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by madog - June 5, 2016 at 12:47 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by SilverFrog - June 5, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by LastPoet - June 5, 2016 at 1:18 pm
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by SilverFrog - June 6, 2016 at 9:13 am
RE: God is in charge of the world. - by robvalue - June 6, 2016 at 1:55 pm

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