RE: I need help with refutations for this
April 23, 2011 at 11:24 pm
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2011 at 11:26 pm by Justtristo.)
(April 23, 2011 at 3:58 pm)MrJatt Wrote:(April 23, 2011 at 3:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: 4. There is no evidence for a 'historical' jesus, at all....and the "resurrection stories" are ripped straight from pagan mythology.
You're allowing him to skip the step of showing that there is any evidence for 'god' period.
He says practically all scholars agree with this,
"1.The Empty Tomb.
2. The disciples having appearances of Jesus.
3. The origin of the belief in Jesus resurrection."
i asked for sources and waiting for a response
Also are you guys saying that i should disregard any arguments from philosophy? thats what point number 1,2 seems to be.
About the resurrection thing, you have to know the Gospels were written down between 40-70 years after Jesus died, very likely by writers who weren't eye witnesses. Besides eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable when it comes to testimony.
Paul in 1 Corinthians does not mention the empty tomb, although he does mention that 20 years after Jesus died his followers believed he rose from the dead. There is quite a natural explanation for belief Jesus followers had in his resurrection, namely bereavement hallucinations. Also read up on the Our Lady of Fátima event in Portugal during the early 20th century, how such hallucinations can happen on a huge scale.
I wrote a post which started a thread here
http://atheistforums.org/thread-6022.html#pid117719
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