Curious to know

[Redbeard The Pink]

1) A brain devoid of blood and oxygen can not produce any hallucination therefore it is the consciousness that take over and experience what is described by these people who had the NDE.

2 Things:

1) Brains are not "devoid" of oxygen and blood during NDEs. If they were, they would just be called DEs. In fact, some people supposedly have out-of-body spiritual experiences while alive in surgery. The little boy from "Heaven is for Real," for instance, supposedly visited Heaven and saw Jesus and some dead relatives he had never met, and that was during a surgical procedure that went more or less normally.


2) Even if they were without blood or oxygen, how would you establish that such brains do not hallucinate? Hallucinations are only perceived by the person they're happening to, so how would you figure out whether somebody is hallucinating if they don't have a way to report their perceptions to you? Do you have some way of demonstrating that? If not, you're just making another assertion you can't prove.

2) Real NDEs follow a certain pattern.
They are there to teach however I do not doubt that some NDEs can produce nothing or something
not related to God.
It is obvious that not all people care to learn so they get nothing.  

"Real" NDEs? Are you now trying to say that anything that doesn't follow your preconceived pattern isn't a "real" NDE?


You dishonest little shit.


NDE stands for "near death experience," and the definition is right on the fucking tin. ANY experience where somebody almost died (read: draws near to death) is a "real" near death experience. There's nothing in there about visions, learning things, or even losing consciousness. If somebody goes into a coma and almost dies, but they wake up and go about their lives, that is a "real" near death experience, regardless of what they saw while out (if anything). If somebody is shooting at me and a bullet goes whizzing past my head close enough for me to feel the wind but not close enough to hit me and knock my brains out, that is a "real" near death experience because I was almost shot to death (even if I wasn't harmed).


That is the definition. You do not get to dick around with it. What you're describing as a "real" NDE is actually a particular set of circumstances where a person loses consciousness, nearly dies, and wakes up believing in god. That is only one kind of NDE, and it is not sufficient evidence for believing in god, even if it happens directly to you. Before you can jump to that conclusion, you have to either support it with evidence, or at minimum you have to rule out other possible explanations (like maybe these are just dreams, for instance). You're not doing any of that, though. You're just latching onto a story and using it to come to a conclusion you like even though that conclusion isn't supported by anything in the story.