RE: UK to leave EU
June 27, 2016 at 6:49 am
(This post was last modified: June 27, 2016 at 7:40 am by GUBU.
Edit Reason: Changed stupid date caused by thick stumpy fingers.
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(June 25, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote:(June 24, 2016 at 2:42 am)Tiberius Wrote: Sure it is. We don't live in a direct democracy. We live in a representative democracy. That means we elect people to make decisions for us. Just because we don't vote on everything individually doesn't mean we aren't democratic.
This was a complicated issue. Most people didn't properly understand it. Lies were spread, there was fear mongering. The vote should have never happened.
Nigel Farage just admitted on TV that the Leave campaign were wrong to say £350 million a week could be spent on the NHS if we left the EU. The lies are already emerging.
QFT. When one considers that this was mostly a ref called by David Cameron to hold at bay the growing right wing euro-skeptic element both of his party and UKIP, you see it as less of an opportunity for people to 'have their say' and more of a political gamble to cement the Conservative position of pro-EU.
Of course, it back fired because it was actually more older and disenfranchised Labour voters who came out to vote instead. And why people thought Corbyn was truly a remain campaigner I'll never know. For 30 years he has actively campaigned *against* EU membership. An article published today accuses Corbyn of effectively scuppering the remain campaign by refusing to stand with Conservative remainers, and choosing to keep party lists secret which indicated that more and more working class voters in traditional heartlands were voting leave. Again, catastrophe.
http://www.politico.eu/article/how-david...ina-obama/
Well considering that Labour brought home the same vote in % tems as the Nats, yes Corbyn did deliver a proper yes campaign. The only leader who failed to bring his party with him was Call Me Dave.
I'm sick and tired of the Blairite bashing of the Labour left. They had their go, they nearly desroyed the party (once voters realised that the Tuberculosis Baccili wasn't actually lefit in any way, he hemorrhaged votes from Labour. Over 1 million were lost before Iraq).
Edit: Liebor lost 3m votes between 97 and 2001.
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