(June 27, 2016 at 1:51 pm)Napoléon Wrote:(June 27, 2016 at 1:30 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I'm really not understanding the "it will get better, you'll see" response to us fucking ourselves (and others) over. Wouldn't it be even better if we didn't?
My argument is to look at the long term objective. Not 1 year from now. I'm talking 10, 20 years.
I don't think anyone has really suggested the short term economic collapse is a good thing, but I don't think it's as bad as the hysteria I keep seeing from people acting like it's the literal end of the world as we know it. Long term though do we want to continue being chained by an EU economy that has seen its GDP share globally fall and fall? That restrains us from making our own trade deals?
The 'it will get better' response is because everyone is acting like we'll never recover at all.
Ok long term perspective. Scotland has left taking the north sea oil with it, NI is looking like leaving, and most importantly the financial services sector has left too (without the EU banking passports they have been forced to decamp to Luxembourg, Ireland &c. to keep servicing the tax evasion needs of EU based multinationals). Also the rich Russians, Saudis and other non EU oligarchs have liquidated their London assets, turning the square mile skyscrapers into ghost towns running down for lack of services. Coupled with the destruction of industry since the 80s this leaves the UK economy in a permanent shambles, thus dooming the country to third rate irrelevance from here on out.
Face it the UK is massively dependent on staying within the EU tradeblock, even if a government ever develops the intelligence and balls to start a new industrial revolution.
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