For Americans tired of NRA bullying.

[henryp]

NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY ........ Let me repeat....... NOBODY, as a vast majority on the left, wants to ban every single gun. That is a myth and a fucking lie. All we want on the left is to prevent the wrong people from getting them, and yes, certain types and big clips. And if the gun owner doesn't want that false perception you claim we have, then you also should value keeping them out of the wrong hands too. But what I see isn't that value, what I see is far too many on the right, a very small majority of gun owners, holding everyone else hostage. 

I agree that nobody thinks they want to ban every single gun.  But the reaction to a mass shooting is never going to be "That's acceptable."  If the guy goes into Pure and only kills 25 people with guns that nobody is currently trying to take away, or someone kills 10 1st graders with a pair of six shooters, nobody is going to be saying "Thank goodness they didn't have AR-15's."  They're still going to want to feel like they're doing something to prevent this from happening again.  

Personally, I don't like guns, but I can understand wanting some.  For sport, peace of mind, and the big one that sounds stupid, but I think is undeniably legit, is in preparation for some level of societal collapse.  I've been making the joke that the people who say Trump is just like Hitler should be promoting arming ourselves to the teeth so we can rise up when the genocide starts.  But more reasonably, climate change, terrorism, biological weapons, disease, food shortages, power grid failure, localized rioting, mystery issue, etc... I see a lot of unlikely but possible scenario's where things could get very wild west like, and a stock pile of weapons would be important for protecting your family.  I don't know how to justify telling someone they can't prepare for that scenario. 

Lastly, weighing in late in general, I look at guns like alcohol.  How many drunk driving deaths.  Spousal and child abuse.  Suicide.  Assault.  Murder.  Rape.  Etc...  It seems to me to be the same thing.  The difference is that most people like drinking, so nobody wants to give up that right.  

Patriot act is another thing in the same vein.  Many people value their right to privacy.  If that costs us life, that's deemed acceptable.  Because they don't think they should give up their rights for the safety of the group.  On that topic, quoting some founding father, about people who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither, is no longer some old irrelevant outdated nonsense, but wisdom to live by.

In the end, what I think it boils down to, is anti-gun folk don't mind giving up gun rights, because they mostly don't value their own right to own guns.  And that's sort of how it is with everything.  People happily being willing to sacrifice everybody's right to X, because they don't have much interest in X.