(April 2, 2009 at 6:10 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: @EvF: the point of belief isn't a choice between equals. It's a process of rationalisation leading to a conclusion of an absolute stance one way or the other. It takes a lot of positive affirmation on the side of belief to tempt a person into considering switching sides to theism.
The positives to be gained from switching are very far removed from trivial or and derogatory analysis that you've made. None of those reasons are about superstition or make believe, but sound, solid benefits. A delusion is something 2 dimensional when compared to the complexity of belief.
'Existance', as you need to prove it, misses the point entirely, and should be the subject of a different discussion. It's mixed in here because you confuse science with religion on this topic.
You believe in your God and religion in particular. That 'makes sense' to you it seems....
How on earth though are my comparisons trivial? Many people of many different religions ALSO feel very strongly about THEIR God and THEIR religions...or even the same religion but a different image of God... - Christianity like you but a 'different kind' of Christianity or a 'different view' or God or whatever.
Many people feel strongly about many different Gods, many different religions, many different supernatural things....
But they all have in common the fact that their is no evidence for the Gods in ANY of those religions...
Now if it just 'makes sense' to you...it does no good to only say I am over simplifying it or making a 'trivial or and derogatory' analysis...
Give me one reason why your God or ANY supernatural God is really any more valid (in terms of actually existing objectively in reality) than Zeus, The Flying Spaghetti Monster or Santa Claus?
There's no evidence for any of those things, and there's no evidence for your God either.
It does no good to just say something like 'belief is more complicated than that' or 'it makes sense to me'. Because if its just a subjective thing here then your belief is no more valid than anyone else's subjective feelings in OTHER religions or OTHER God's.
And since feelings don't add any evidence to God's existence...
Then once again - your God is basically, practically; no more likely to exist than Zeus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Santa Claus.
Trivial matter? I think not...
I think holding onto a belief once you realise that...now THAT would be trivial!
I assume you haven't 'realised that' or IOW: - I assume you don't believe God is as improbable as Zeus, the FSM or Santa.
I don't see why one would still hold onto such a belief if they believed God was no more probable than the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Santa Claus!! That there's no evidence for them and no evidence for God...
So I assume you must believe that your God is more likely to exist than them!!! (Assuming you don't believe they exist!!)
And assuming you believe your God is more likely...then...why?
Once again - if there can be no evidence of ANY God then give me one good reason why you should believe in YOUR God any more than any other....
Or indeed...give me one reason why you should believe in him anymore than Zeus, The FSM or Father Christmas.
EvF