How to Authentically Experience God

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Which implicitly means you are not here to convert or to persuade others of the value of your views ... I will now wait to see whether that is true.

I welcome your watchful eye.

As I've said yes does that close it then? I agree, without proof we remain in philosophical territory.

And since philosophy alone has never demonstrated anything that means you can never demonstrate the supposed reality of your god. I assume you will no longer make claims about your god in this forum?

Show me one claim that I've made. I don't believe I have made any. I state what I believe. I cannot claim what isn't demonstrably provable, and I haven't.

I didn't say you were being literalist. I said you were using literalist statements as the subject, that I myself don't accept.

And I'm saying I wasn't ... I'm saying that ANY claim (no matter what it is) can be evaluated to some degree by conventional empirical means (IOW by science) even if it is to conclude there is no evidence and therefore not worth anything more than the claim that there is a cream cake at the centre of the Earth.

And I repeat, I make no claims.

I'm trying to answer you here. Yes, those statements (which I don't agree with) I'd agree require special pleading.

Which is a logical fallacy.

What? Special pleading, your statements or me not agreeing?

Can you be specific? I agree that we can't restrict science by saying that you can never know. Just that science at the moment doesn't have the means to do it.

Nothing, in principle, is beyond the investigative reach of science. Is that specific enough for you?

"in principle". Neither of us can know either way. Neither of us can claim one way or the other. About science.