(July 26, 2016 at 12:21 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:(July 26, 2016 at 12:17 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I bought ice cream today. I thought "Hmmmm, I think I would like some ice cream." So walked into a corner store, looked at the selection, and thought, "Hmmmmm. . . which ice cream shall I choose today? I think, today. . . vanilla." So I bought the ice cream that I wanted.
That's not an example of free will, it's my DEFINITION of it-- free will is being able to buy the motherfucking ice cream of your choice.
That's ableness, mate. Free Will is rather different. Free Will describes a magic way to circumvent all of the rules that govern the rest of the universe to make a "decision" by yourself, in a vacuum, uncaused and entirely "on your own" - whatever that means.
If that's how you define free will, then I'm not surprised you don't believe it exists. Maybe I missed a couple pages of this thread, but I'd be very surprised to find that anyone who DID believe in free will defined it as you have.
I'd define will as that about a person which brings intent to fruition. For example, if I intend to move a leg, and it does in fact move, I've exercised my will.
Free will I'd describe as the ability to form intent based on my world view or other aspect of my personhood, and act on that intent without obstruction or coercion from another agent or other environmental factor.
OR. . . being able to buy the motherfucking ice cream of my choice.
