(July 26, 2016 at 12:28 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Again, I think people confuse the experience of making decisions with its objective mechanism. Objectively speaking, we are more like robots than anything else. We are imprisoned. We are destined to do a set amount of things, and there's nothing we can do about it. But to think that this somehow takes something away from life is merely an illusion. SInce you don't know what the future is going to bring, you really do live in the moment, even though you technically have no control over anything. Your experience of reality doesn't have to suffer because of this fact. It is simply a fact of nature and its not like we can even imagine the opposite(well, some think they can, but they can't). But still, there's something to learn from this knowledge. Like, being angry at people or retributive towards them doesn't make any sense anymore. Being angry at someone is the same as being angry at an object, in this new light.
Read my above post, and I'll explain why it makes perfect sense to be angry at people or retributive towards them. The world views they base their intent on are shitty world views (in your estimation), and the personhood upon which they build intent are shitty personhoods. I don't care whether or not in an alternative universe the fucker who honked at me to resume driving when there was obviously a car stopped in front of me could have acted differently. I care that, without compulsion from me or anyone else, his shitty personhood has expressed itself in a way that's annoying to me. Fuck that guy!
You guys can argue philosophical points all you want, but I use words as an attempt to categorize and explain my experiences, and free will is as self-apparent as the existence of the self. Arguments which in this way defeat my attempt to use language are those up with which I will not put.