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So how else are you going to determine whether a movement is fascist if not by comparing their techniques and what they preach to known fascist movements? This is you basically in denial. Tell me which items on this list do not apply to Trump or UKIP and I will be argue that they do within the current political and social landscape.

I'm not in denial lol, I just think there's a big difference between calling Trump a fascist and Mussolini a fascist. For you that is evidently not so but it does not mean I am in denial.

Let's start with 'inciting violence for political gain to the extent the law allows'. That should be a good one.

Take into account that neither Trump nor Farage are able to stand up there and explicitly demand that violence take place otherwise they will be arrested and in clear violation of several laws. But they can talk about violence in the abstract and not be arrested for that. And if accused then they can say that they are warning of dangers. But that's not why they are standing up and saying these things. They are doing it to put it into their minds of their followers and supporters that this is the next logical step to achieve their aim. And someone out there will then take it upon themselves to go and do that.

For example Nigel Farage Predicts ‘Violence The Next Step’ If Immigration Is Not Controlled.

Even the Daily Mail reported Nigel Farage caught on camera telling Ukip supporters in Dudley to 'bully people' into voting for Brexit

Bear in mind that we've already had an MP killed and threatening behaviour and assault against immigrants is on the rise. My Dad isn't politically minded at all but he was born in fascist Germany. Some of my ancestors were quite literally fascists (Nazis). My Dad was raised by people who saw fascism rise from nothing. When my English mother was in denial about the rise in threatening behaviour against immigrants my dad spoke up and told her "this is how it starts".

Trump is not so subtle because he can get away with more. Not only has he described what he would do in such circumstances (again talking in the abstract) but also said that he was looking at paying the legal fees of the man who punched a protester at his rally. How can that not be condoning violence? Not to mention all the times he has said things like he could shoot someone in the street and get away with it and even threatens to punsh a protester in the face.


But you say that there is a big difference between calling Trump and Mussolini. That is because you are comparing Trump as he is now trying to get power with Mussolini after he seized power. What you should be doing is comparing Trump or Farage with Mussolini before he had any power. Fascism does not come about with storm troopers marching down the street.

Association fallacy? That's like complaining that someone's only saying it's gold because it's coloured gold and has the same number of protons as gold. What defining characteristics would you look for before classing something as a fascist movement?

You simply saying they're fascist doesn't make them so.

No. But you don't even know what an association fallacy is. I wasn't using association, I was using defining characteristics, hence the example of gold. Whereas an association fallacy is like an advertisement that uses a handsome or pretty model to sell a car, by creating an association that is not applicable.

Care to answer my question about what are the defining characteristics of a fascist movement?

No. Thought not.

You see, you've just made this list up based on your own biases. Whereas the list I presented wasn't made up by me but are observed and recorded characteristics of all fascist movements by historians. Your post is basically on a par of saying "Well you stink too so nerr".

Yes that's exactly what it was on par with. In case you didn't notice I was satirizing the list you posted.

Satire only works if you understand what you are satirising. Like the difference between defining characteristics as established by historians and making shit up.

I give as much of a shit about the book you posted as you do about Jeremy Corbyn.

Ah yes, don't bother listening to experts, just go by your feels. And this is why it is no point arguing with you.

Are you sure that you aren't religious? You'd make a good fascist. Don't question, just believe what you are told to.