RE: How can anyone be okay with Hell ?
May 6, 2011 at 2:13 am
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2011 at 2:36 am by Cinjin.)
(May 5, 2011 at 7:53 pm)Watson Wrote: On what do you base this notion of Christians, Cinjin? Did you yourself experience these feelings of superiority towards others when you were a Christian, and you told someone else they were going to Hell?
A fair question ... which is rare to get from religious people. But it does occassionally happen.
My answer. Yes, I felt superior, but not in the way an adult would feel. I never made it to adulthood as a christian. But I definitely remember my entire family including myself "looking down" on the guy on the corner with a cigarette in his mouth and hearing my father say things like "those people are going to suffer for their pride" as we walked away from a house we just tried to witness to.
This was a common line of thinking in the fundies church. Of course, no one came out and said, "we're better than everybody else", but the idea was there and even as a child I picked up on it on the superior attitude of "the flock".
To this day, if I walk into my father's fundimentalist baptist church (which happens once every 4 years or so) I will get the condescending remarks and the looks of disapproval. Just because something isn't spoken doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anybody who's married knows this.
It's real, and it's ignorant to pretend it doesn't exist even if you yourself do not feel that way.
(May 5, 2011 at 8:22 pm)TrueSpirit Wrote: I don't understand why you said that Christianity, Heaven and hell are pathetic though, because I feel they are all real, they're just not what most orthodox religions say, or believe they are. Could you expand on that?
When I refer to heaven and hell, I am always referring to the christian versions of heaven and hell. Thus when I say there is no Heaven and there is no Hell, I am not implying that there is no afterlife. I of course do not pretend to know what death brings, but I'm pretty fuckin sure that no one is going to be walking on streets of gold and receiving crowns of gold and gems to lay at Jesus' feet. What the fuck do you need gold in heaven for anyway? Why would god need to put a shiny yellow metal up in heaven for? Is there a banking system up there? Can we use the gold to buy better wings????? It's an antiquated idea made up by men to entice the masses who lived in a time when 99% of the world was poverty stricken. It's ridiculous and its pathetic.
As for hell - just visit the thread I started called, "I Love You Enough to Burn You" and that will answer why I think hell is such a stupid pathetic idea as well.
There's more, but thats the general gist.
(May 5, 2011 at 7:19 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(May 5, 2011 at 7:16 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: I remember when I was christian that less than 1% of my requestes to god were ever answeredAnd should 100% of your prayers have been answered (affirmatively presumably)?
According to your bible - yes. I will refer you to some verses.
Matthew 21:21-22
Matthew 7:7-8
Mark 11:24-25
Luke 11:9-13
John 14:13-14
John 16:23-24
...and my personal favorite, John 15:7, If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.
So yes, Frodo, I was a believer at the time. I expect 100% because that's what was promised.
HELL, I would've settled for 20% and considered myself gods #1 fuckin favorite of all time!