If free will was not real

[bennyboy]

I've defined my terms, though it's probably a page ago, now.  You are treating the "you" and the "controller" as different entities, and demanding that the you be able to control the controller, or drop the idea of free will.  

I'm not telling you you have to drop free will, only telling you that referencing a controller won't demonstrate it.  I don't need to doubt that you can control your arm, or that you and the controller of that arm are part of the same package.  I simply wonder about whatever led to that happening.  Is it the unmoved mover of mind, is it just one of any number of random things you could have been doing and have since ret-conned, is it a response to an input based algorithm?  These are the questions..and saying "I have defined myself as having control" doesn't answer them.

I don't think I was the one to introduce the idea of a controller, or that I referenced one until you mentioned it.  I don't know what "the unmoved mover of mind" means, or the term "ret-conned."  I do know what "algorithm" means, though not in this context.

It may be that I'm just tired right now, but I'm sincerely having trouble understanding what you first, and now quip, are trying to communicate to me.