The "Cultural Context" Excuse

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the smugness comes from years of being called all sorts of stuff and you guys just now starting to get it.

You get called a bunch of stuff because you're a moral monster.

"I do it too" is the other 1/2 of the argument you guys still don't get. I do it because without it 1/3 of the world starves and dies. THEY NEED These Slave wage jobs. Is it the best thing for the planet? who knows, however it is the only societal model we have that has ever worked. That being the case until we can develop slave/cylon robots, we have to have a slave class, as the world societies all operate on a big pyramid scheme.

Ah, so you were equivocating between low paying jobs and slavery again; you were being dishonest, not an idiot. It's so hard to tell with you.

Actually it is complicity and hypocrisy... the web site i linked to earlier is just one of dozens that put responsibility of modern slaves onto western society. There's even a test one can take that estimates how many slaves were used in providing your current lifestyle. I somehow use 53 i personally think that number is high, but on the other hand I see it as my money is being used to keep 53 people from starving to death..

So your position is: some websites say so, so I'm automatically bound to agree? Specifically, with your position, which I doubt is one that those self same websites would have?

Seriously?

Which is the other side of the coin. If ALL slavery ended where then would this revenue/housing come from? Even if burney was elected i don't think raising taxes on the rich nor educating everyone will make a dent in this problem, because if all the slaves are gone and everyone is getting paid a fair wage then so go the rich.

If the rich cannot afford to pay what you acknowledge to be a fair wage for work received, then they got to be rich by stealing labor and their businesses are untenable. Part of resolving this complex political and economic situation such that low paid worker production is no longer required is to recognize this fact, stop subsidizing businesses that are so unable to make a profit that the only way they can do so is by robbing their workers of fair compensation, and to force businesses to quit relying on models of operation that maximize profits for the owners by relying on that labor theft.

Which I guess is the difference between you and I, Drich: you're happy to feed off of a system you acknowledge needs work because then you can pretend that everyone else is just as bad as you are, and so you defend the status quo. I'm at least willing to thoughtfully engage with the problems and propose solutions for them, which I'm sure horrifies you because with your false equivalence stripped away, you're still left with your horrifying beliefs, at the bottom of the moral totem pole.

If we ever manage to build a utopia, my moral principles will still hold up, and yours will still be disgusting. That's the difference.