(July 29, 2016 at 3:56 pm)Stimbo Wrote: All you've done, snowy, is say that the Universe was created by something with the ability to create a universe, follow it up with some storybook references to "God" making a universe, then conclude that that proves "God" exists. That literally is all you have succeeded in doing. The fact that you feel the need to play it up as a dichotomy with unsupported emphasis on the impossibility of the opposite extreme only highlights your insecurity in your own argument,Perhaps 100 years ago the logic would be circular, but discoveries in science have validated the Bible which said it first.
1. Universe has constant laws of physics - “I have established the covenant of day and night and the fixed order of heaven and earth” .
2. Universe is expanding - He created the heavens and stretched them out.” and ‘stretching out the heavens like a tent’ - the Hebrew verb form here indicates a continual or ongoing stretching.
3. Universe is decaying - In Romans 8 it’s state that the entire creation has been subjected to the law of decay.
4. Universe had a beginning - “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”.
What sciences says:
1. Astronomers have look back into time within 200,000 years of the big bang event and have seen no change in the physical laws, and other sciences have not detected any changes.
2. Hubble discovered this shortly after General Relativity published.
3. 2’nd law of thermodynamics (entropy).
4. The Big Bang marks the instant at which the universe began, when space and time came into existence and all the matter in the cosmos started to expand.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.