(July 31, 2016 at 1:43 pm)Irrational Wrote:(July 31, 2016 at 12:45 pm)RozKek Wrote: A decision is just a word for a different action. It's just a way of communicating, it has no special meaning to it. You can't differ a decision from a desire physically. When one says a decision one refers to an act that has been thoroughly thought through. A desire for e.g chocolate hasn't been thoroughly thought through however both of them are simply just your neural net interacting with each other provoking feelings/actions etc. And your neural net is physical, it is governed by classical physics and is therefore determined. There's no freedom in it if it's already determined. Simply put, you're just aware of your decisions and they're a bit more complex compared to let's say your desires, but they're fundamentally the same physically speaking.
Thoroughly thought through? I thought you said we weren't aware of our decisions until after they are triggered?
Think more about what you're saying because you may be contradicting yourself a little here. And to be clear, neuroscientific studies don't exactly support all of what you're saying here, so on what other basis do you make these claims?
What I meant is you're aware of the thought process when making a decision, evaluating etc. However that wasn't the point. Point was that they're fundamentally the same. Both of them are simply neurons interacting and neurons are physical things therefore they're governed by classical physics and are therefore determined, there's no free if it's already determined. I'm quite surprised that you guys still haven't answered this question. Can you break the causal chain? Why do you avoid that question?
And for the record it doesn't matter when or whether you're aware of your decisions, they're still causal, the neurons that control every action you do are causal, they're determined, you are not an agent that can do something to change their movement resulting in changing the effect of their movement/interaction. You're simply an observer and experiencer. I am basing my claims on physics.