If free will was not real

[GrandizerII]

Thoroughly thought through? I thought you said we weren't aware of our decisions until after they are triggered?

Think more about what you're saying because you may be contradicting yourself a little here. And to be clear, neuroscientific studies don't exactly support all of what you're saying here, so on what other basis do you make these claims?

What I meant is you're aware of the thought process when making a decision, evaluating etc. However that wasn't the point. Point was that they're fundamentally the same. Both of them are simply neurons interacting and neurons are physical things therefore they're governed by classical physics and are therefore determined, there's no free if it's already determined. I'm quite surprised that you guys still haven't answered this question. Can you break the causal chain? Why do you avoid that question?

And for the record it doesn't matter when or whether you're aware of your decisions, they're still causal, the neurons that control every action you do are causal, they're determined, you are not an agent that can do something to change their movement resulting in changing the effect of their movement/interaction. You're simply an observer and experiencer. I am basing my claims on physics.

Regarding the causal chain question, I answered that question a few pages back, remember? And you actually responded to that, remember?

I don't agree that I'm just an observer and experiencer of my decisions. I also play a role in formulating these decisions even if I'm only conscious of them after they are made. You seem to think that I am only my conscious part of the self.