If free will was not real

[bennyboy]

Even if that was the case, deep meanings to words don't really change the fact that the universe, including you is determined. That allows no free will.

I agree that the kind of free will you are talking about probably doesn't exist. But you are asserting something as fact which you have not / cannot prove to be fact. Can you demonstrate that the universe is determined? How would you even go about doing that? I think you are confusing a philosophical assumption with a scientific fact.

Even the free will where no one is constricting you by holding a gun to your head is not really allowed. You're still constricted, bound by physics. Your will is just a part of the causal chain, there's no free in it. What your will is, what your intention is and will be, what your actions will be, every single movement of your arms, legs, eyes, every twitch is all determined, all of it is in the brain, and the brain is causal i.e determined. It doesn't matter what your experience is, you can't escape causality, determinism, that your brain is physical and such by giving words a deeper meaning. Not that there is something to escape, it's not as if the lack of free will is going to ruin your life, it's not as if you're going to be severely depressed, sitting on your couch, not able to move because you don't have the free will to do so.

Now you can demonstrate how deeper meanings to words somehow allows the existence of a free will.

This is getting a little bit dumb. I keep saying what free will is, and you keep talking about some magical, mystical free will which nobody here is attempting to support. You don't really get to do that. What you CAN say, is "I'm not willing to debate under your definition of the term."

SO let me say it to you: "I'm not willing to debate under your definition of the term."