(August 1, 2016 at 7:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(August 1, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Just to be clear, your god is responsible for more abortions than humans, by far.
Over 50% of all fertilized eggs never make it. They don't implant into the uterus, or they are naturally aborted.
In the US alone, there are 4 million births a year out of about 8 million conceptions. There are about 1.3 million induced abortions a year, that leaves 2.7 million 'god' induced abortions a year. Figuring that prenatal care is pretty good and infant mortality is fairly low in the US, who knows how many 'god' induced abortions occurring in the rest of the world, where this isn't the case.
Is your god responsible for 2.7 million abortions a year in the US? If not, does that mean that some things happen in the universe that is not part of your god's plan?
Yet you dodged the question.
Quote:Romans 8:29
For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
I believe someone needs to look up the term 'predestination'. If you bothered to read the Bible you'd see that there is a scripture that credits Levi with paying tithes while he was till in the loins of Abraham, who was his Great-grandfather.
Quote:Hebrews 7:10
9 And so to speak, Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham.
10 For when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the loin of his ancestor.
So there is no randomness on who and who isn't born, it is already predetermined (as shown in the above scripture that God KNEW Levi while he was still in the loins of Abraham), and God has the authority to make that "pre-determination" since he knows the end from the beginning.
Then why wouldn't the human induced abortions also part of predestination?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.