If free will was not real

[GrandizerII]

Subjective does not mean arbitrary, whimsical, or not to be seriously considered at all.

Even if that was the case, deep meanings to words don't really change the fact that the universe, including you is determined. That allows no free will. Even the free will where no one is constricting you by holding a gun to your head is not really allowed. You're still constricted, bound by physics. Your will is just a part of the causal chain, there's no free in it. What your will is, what your intention is and will be, what your actions will be, every single movement of your arms, legs, eyes, every twitch is all determined, all of it is in the brain, and the brain is causal i.e determined. It doesn't matter what your experience is, you can't escape causality, determinism, that your brain is physical and such by giving words a deeper meaning. Not that there is something to escape, it's not as if the lack of free will is going to ruin your life, it's not as if you're going to be severely depressed, sitting on your couch, not able to move because you don't have the free will to do so.

Now you can demonstrate how deeper meanings to words somehow allows the existence of a free will.

Again, under your subjective definition of "free", if something is predetermined, it is not free.

But I don't consider randomness/spontaneity to be equal to freedom in the context of human freedom. My idea of freedom, in the context of ths topic, is a very reasonable one in that freedom of choice is that which is exercised in accordance with one's intent or desire. Ok? That's all there is to it. I can do what I want a lot of the time. You can do what you want a lot of the time. That's freedom.

And Rozkek, please stop treating us as if we have no idea what libertarian free will means or entails. Perhaps rather than just arguing strawman with us over and over again, how about you consider what we're actually trying to say instead? I'm not a newbie when it comes to this topic, and I used to a hard determinist myself as a matter of fact (up until fairly recently), so I know very well what libertarian free will is about. I also, for the record, do not find the idea of no libertarian free will to be depressing. This isn't an emotional struggle for me. The free will you speak is illogical, of course. I am in no way disputing that. But again and again and again, argue against my idea of freedom. Tell me how my idea of freedom is irrational.