If free will was not real

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How is something free if it's determined, enlighten me. If we're going to be that subjective I can give a rock a free will.

You can do what you want, I know that, everyone does. But what you want, in other words what your will is isn't your free choice =))))))

Strawmanning? I'm saying even your definition of free will doesn't exist. The free will I speak of is not illogical, it can be applied and should be applied e.g when someone is going to be sentenced for a crime. It also makes, at least me understand people better.

How does the free will I speak of not exist? My notion of free will is logical (even the other side agrees with this), but the question is whether or not the definition is reasonable. This is what should be debated.

And libertarian free will is not illogical? Huh? I'm confused now, I thought you were arguing it is illogical. Or do you mean it's practical, rather than logical?

A rock has zero free will under my definition because it lacks intention anyway. And yes, my will is predetermined, but again, under my definition, freedom and predeterminism are not opposites of each other. All what matters (and is sufficient) for my definition is that I do what I want.

ah well shit, I mixed them up. I didn't care enough to carefully read through, my apologies. 

Alright, you do you, cool.