If free will was not real

[Little lunch]

I'm saying we are basically automatons. Robots.
I'm saying that if we are free to make decisions of any kind in reality then there is no reason for anything.
So two of those would count.
Not free to do anything random or spontaneous and not free as in we are slaves to nature.
And it would be a horrible thing if it weren't so complex that we can't really tell.
But it eliminates good and evil and it provides reasons for why people other than ourselves do things we don't understand.

You mean we're basically automatons but with higher levels of intelligence than current man-made/artificial automatons? Sure, I agree. But this also means we can do things current artificial automatons can't do because we have a higher level of intelligence. Like doing philosophy, for example.

So anyway, you see free as random/spontaneous is what you're saying? If there is no reason for anything, this implies randomness/spontaneity, right? So free will means random will?

Yes. I'll have to continue this conversation tomorrow cause my daughter is having nightmares.
I thought I put her back to sleep but she just come in my bedroom with her pillow and blanket. :-)