The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 9:12 pm
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2016 at 10:13 pm by LadyForCamus.
Edit Reason: Im a silly
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Okay, the Christian narrative as I (?)understand(?) it so far:
God was sitting around one day, and decided to create the universe and some beings within it. (How a timeless, changeless, eternal entity goes from a state of not having thoughts to a state of thinking about doing something is lunacy of course, but I'm playing along for the sake of the argument [emoji6])
So...God decides to make the universe and people, because...he's bored? Lonely? Drunk with power?
Did god not know until the moment he decided to create the world how humans would turn out? Because if he didn't; if there was ever a "time" when God thought things would go a certain a way and they turned out differently than he originally intended, there goes "omniscient" right out the window.
Oh, and along with it goes "omnipotent" as well. If God had an ideal; a vision for humanity, but failed to execute his creation properly (considering what a fucking disappointment we are, according to him) then...he screwed up. He screwed up twice in fact, if you want to consider that 'flood' mulligan he afforded himself. So...Not perfect, and not all powerful.
Now please, Christians, I know your fingers are just itching to type the words "free will". But don't. I know, it's hard. You're taught to spit that phrase out any time the logic of your God is questioned, but the fact is the existence of free will makes no difference. You can't on the one hand say God knew we would fuck it all up because 'omniscience', but then turn around and say we fell from God's grace because 'free will'.
Free will was always part of the grand plan, right? So, God basically rigged humans with a wild card (on purpose) and then blamed us when the wild card backfired on him. God is in every way like Victor Frankenstein. We never asked to be created. But the real kicker is that instead of owning up to the fact that he fucked up by creating a species of unintelligible, immoral miscreants, he decides to trick us into thinking that it's all our fault we can never be good enough. He sets up this contrived and thinly veiled "test" of righteousness that he knows full well Adam and Eve cannot not pass, and then uses the result to lay life-long blame, guilt, and shame onto all of humanity.
But, it gets worse. It's not awful enough that he can't or won't take responsibility for his actions, and just accept us for how he made us. There has to be that awful punishment; torture and suffering for eternity. Included in the list of the punished are, of course, all of those unlucky enough to be born of inconvenient geography.
And if God did see all of this coming from start to finish, and went through with it anyway? How can any rational person call that God "good"?
God was sitting around one day, and decided to create the universe and some beings within it. (How a timeless, changeless, eternal entity goes from a state of not having thoughts to a state of thinking about doing something is lunacy of course, but I'm playing along for the sake of the argument [emoji6])
So...God decides to make the universe and people, because...he's bored? Lonely? Drunk with power?
Did god not know until the moment he decided to create the world how humans would turn out? Because if he didn't; if there was ever a "time" when God thought things would go a certain a way and they turned out differently than he originally intended, there goes "omniscient" right out the window.
Oh, and along with it goes "omnipotent" as well. If God had an ideal; a vision for humanity, but failed to execute his creation properly (considering what a fucking disappointment we are, according to him) then...he screwed up. He screwed up twice in fact, if you want to consider that 'flood' mulligan he afforded himself. So...Not perfect, and not all powerful.
Now please, Christians, I know your fingers are just itching to type the words "free will". But don't. I know, it's hard. You're taught to spit that phrase out any time the logic of your God is questioned, but the fact is the existence of free will makes no difference. You can't on the one hand say God knew we would fuck it all up because 'omniscience', but then turn around and say we fell from God's grace because 'free will'.
Free will was always part of the grand plan, right? So, God basically rigged humans with a wild card (on purpose) and then blamed us when the wild card backfired on him. God is in every way like Victor Frankenstein. We never asked to be created. But the real kicker is that instead of owning up to the fact that he fucked up by creating a species of unintelligible, immoral miscreants, he decides to trick us into thinking that it's all our fault we can never be good enough. He sets up this contrived and thinly veiled "test" of righteousness that he knows full well Adam and Eve cannot not pass, and then uses the result to lay life-long blame, guilt, and shame onto all of humanity.
But, it gets worse. It's not awful enough that he can't or won't take responsibility for his actions, and just accept us for how he made us. There has to be that awful punishment; torture and suffering for eternity. Included in the list of the punished are, of course, all of those unlucky enough to be born of inconvenient geography.
And if God did see all of this coming from start to finish, and went through with it anyway? How can any rational person call that God "good"?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
