If free will was not real

[Edwardo Piet]

I consider that free will is either trivially true (compatabilist free will) or completely false to point of logical incoherence (contra-causal/libertarian/incompatabilist free will). Unfortunately many people do believe in the logically incoherent incompatabilist version of free will and even when compatablists explain that their version of free will works just the same in a completely deterministic universe: laypeople quickly go back to behaving as if people can do otherwise in the silly contra-causal magical-like sense as if they didn't learn a thing from the exchange. Whereas rejecting all forms of free will altogether seems to genuinely impact there life -- the only danger is that they will take that too far and slip into fatalism: But that is something that can be more easily cleared up and a distinction that can be easily been drawn and fully explicated -- unless they're completely fucking stupid as fuck (and unfortunately a lot of people are): but if that's the case it's pointless discussing philosophy with them anyway.

So I believe compatabilist free will is trivally true but I am no compatabilist.

No kudos required, I'd happily kudos myself for this one... this post was too pontificantingly pretentiously verbosely pedantically awesome to be arrogant

I've discussed this subject so many times over the years I know it to death. Most of the time I can't be arsed to say anything other than "Compatabilism is trivally true and labelling "will" as "free will" whereas contra-causal free will is a bunch of silly magic most people believe in" or something to that effect.