If free will was not real

[Gemini]

Well...the only comment I made about moral desert is how it -couldn't- be maintained...so I don't know who you're disagreeing with, here.  

Just throwing it out there in case anybody wants to dispute it. I'm in a feisty mood lately.

It's not, it just sounds shitty when I phrase it that way, and so you don't like it.  

It's a structurally different position. Bob can coerce me, but I cannot coerce myself.

Explain how you do..or it's an empty objection/question.

I'm gonna give a short, lazy explanation of that. Neuroscience.

That's true, but his mere existence makes the whole "frontal lobe" business moot point (in addition to being a shifting of goal posts) even if he's the only example.  Obviously...it isn't necessary.

Here's just one reason why it doesn't invalidate our understanding of the role the frontal lobes play in impulse control and decision making--the guy had so little brain that he had almost no impulses to control. He had an IQ of 75 and wasn't functioning at a very high level.

I don't say that, though..because I can't identify any instance n which someone is free from the duress of external agents.  I can see times when they are under -less-..or more duress.....but meh.  You;re taking issue to the term trivial as though I were calling our -will- trivial..rather than your description of it as free trivial.

Remember, I'm using "duress" to mean acts or threat of violence by an agent, such as would considered a violation of a person's autonomy in a court of law. That's how I'm defining free will. What a mentally healthy person with legal autonomy has. You acknowledge free will in the social and legal context is coherent and compatible with determinism, you just insist that "free will" should mean something different.

Except that you can;t justify even -that- use of the term, thusfar...you can only play with the idea if we count the hits and ignore the misses...if we draw arbitrary lines...and we;re now talking about frontal lobes..so agian...not a free wil...just a "human will".  Ofc it's a "real referant"...but is it an accurate one..is the human will, your will, that comes from your frontal lobes........ free?

In the sense in which you acknowledge it's free, yes. But not in the sense in which we both believe it isn't free.