If free will was not real

[Gemini]

If you like..I can go back and quote the -many- differing requirements you've proposed...all as a way of responding to various objections I've made regarding the previous requirements specifically.

I think I can sum it up:

The experience of making a decision.

What we have that people with frontal lobe damage don't have.

Decision made by a mentally healthy agent free from coercion/duress.

Neural process unfolding in the frontal lobes.

I wouldn't say that my requirements haven't alter, but I have refined them in light of your input, and that's to your credit. I really am not meaning to shift goalposts--just to get better at making my case for compatibilism.

Still free will thread besties, right?  

Now, on the subject of just that statement...it doesn;t even approach a reference to any freedom..it;s just the acknowledgement that we experience decision-making..and since the question we're asking ourselves is whether or not that decisionmaking is free...and if it is, to what extent or in what sense, simply saying that we experience decision-making won't move -those- chains.  

You're quite right that it's not an reference to causal freedom, because I don't believe we have that kind of freedom. I'm noting that the kind of causal process that mentally healthy humans engage in is qualitatively different from that of a thermostat. Whether thermostats are causally constrained or not is irrelevant. They don't have a will, so a fortiori they don't have free will, compatibilist or otherwise.

Okay, so you are okay then with compulsion, but not duress.  If your will is ultimately compelled...then it's still free...but if it's under duress..it is not?  Isn't the operative portion of duress...in context..it's ability to compel, to be a compulsive factor?  

I'm actually just noting that the irresistable urge of the heroin addict is, per the dictionary definition, not duress, but compulsion.

As it pertains to my argument, the causal processes that constitute my will do not in any way compel or force my will, in the way that a coercive agent or an extreme physical addiction does. My point is that "causally determined" is not synonymous with duress, coercion, or force.

No, no no no.  I simply mentioned that it is not required for us to have autonomy in the legal sense for us to justify what we do based upon that assumption..such as remove people from the gp.  Whether Bob hacked those girls up of his own accord..or just couldn't help himself......he's going into a tiny box for the rest of his life.

Then don't we need a vocabulary to use when we do what we do based on the legal definition of autonomy? What's wrong with the vocabulary already in place?