(August 20, 2016 at 2:43 pm)RozKek Wrote:(August 20, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Gemini Wrote: Compatibilists don't exclude determinism. Compatibilists are determinists.
It's bs. They believe in determinism, yes, but they've dumbed down free will to exclude determinism. E,g they might say"Free will is freely forming and acting on ones intent", thing is, it's not free if it's already determined is it? How do you determine something that is already determined? You form and act on intent but the way you form your intent, the way you act on your intent, none of it is free. Compatibilist "free-willers" believe in determinism but ignore determinism when they're talking about free will. Their definition of free will for some reason doesn't take determinism into account.
We haven't dumbed it down or ignored determism. We've just defined free will as, "What mentally healthy agents exercise when they are free from duress/coercion by other agents."
A Gemma is forever.