(August 20, 2016 at 3:14 pm)Gemini Wrote:(August 20, 2016 at 3:03 pm)RozKek Wrote: That's what I'm talking about. You, for some reason, in your definition of free will, exclude all the other "factors" that determine whether we have a free will or not.
The "some reason" is that all the other "factors" are metaphysical bullshit which are basically meaningless.
Quote:And I'm asking, why? It's similiar to cherry picking verses from the Bible in order to turn it into a peaceful religion.
It would be comparable to that if you actually shredded the violent/bigoted parts of the bible and ceased publishing them. You realize that could actually do that to the bible, if you didn't give a fuck about preserving the cannon? That's where compatibilists are. We don't give a fuck about incompatibilist free will. Shred it.
Quote:You cherry pick everything that allows for some kind of severely reduced/dumbed down free will. Your definition of free will is not intact with reality. If you judge a criminal in court based on your definition of free will, you've judged him wrongfully.
See legal pragmatism. Any determinist can explain that to you. Suffice it to say that a legal system operated by a compatibilist would be identical to one operated by an incompatibilist determinist.
I don't think there are metaphysical ideas that go against free will. I was talking about determinism.
Sure, go try to shread the fact that the universe, or at least our brains are deterministic and that it plays a role in if our will is free or not.
I'll check into it, thanks.