(August 20, 2016 at 6:52 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:(August 20, 2016 at 5:37 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Well then, the question you got to ask yourself is, whither god? If there is no magic to create the universe, god doesn't exist because there is no magic for to allow god's existence.
There is no more magic God pro-creating the infinite universes than there is in us being able to self express and say "I am"
There is however a bit more power.
By what mechanism does a god get the power to willfully create the universe? Remember, as far as we can know before the big bang everything was contained in an infinitely small and infinitely dense singularity.
By what mechanism does a god exist when there is no reality for him to exist in?
You see, every mechanism posited for the existence of any god since humanity has actually started properly looking at reality and finding out how things actually happen (rather than accepting the frustratingly stupid goddidit you so love, yet want to deny your love of) the best theists have been able to come up with is "because he's (or they're) supernatural", which is synonymous with saying "I have no mechanisms but god must exist because I believe he does, therefore magic!". So if you want to convince others that god can exist within reality you'd better come up with a plausible mechanism for him which is testable, falsifiable, obeys William of Ockham and agrees with what facts we know of the universe.
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