(August 21, 2016 at 9:49 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:Infinitesimally small? Compared to what? That nothing space you are always shone around it that does not exist? Why are you viewing from outside? There is no outside, the only valid point of perspective is inside the singularity.(August 20, 2016 at 6:52 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: There is no more magic God pro-creating the infinite universes than there is in us being able to self express and say "I am"
There is however a bit more power.
By what mechanism does a god get the power to willfully create the universe? Remember, as far as we can know before the big bang everything was contained in an infinitely small and infinitely dense singularity.
By what mechanism does a god exist when there is no reality for him to exist in?
You see, every mechanism posited for the existence of any god since humanity has actually started properly looking at reality and finding out how things actually happen (rather than accepting the frustratingly stupid goddidit you so love, yet want to deny your love of) the best theists have been able to come up with is "because he's (or they're) supernatural", which is synonymous with saying "I have no mechanisms but god must exist because I believe he does, therefore magic!". So if you want to convince others that god can exist within reality you'd better come up with a plausible mechanism for him which is testable, falsifiable, obeys William of Ockham and agrees with what facts we know of the universe.
The singularity exists as a field of mass in equilibrium, not a tiny sphere radially oriented to a nothing space outside that does not exist.
If you improperly imagine the pre-inflationary state, your mistake will color all the rest of your work.
In fact the common idea in both early science an religion was of an infinitely spatial "singularity" mostly characterized as water, in the Nun of Egypt, the Chaos of Greece, and the infinite body of Vishnu, the preserver. Also called the Prima materia in early science. An undifferentiated primal state that all forces and phenomenon are carved out of.
A "tiny", mono-centric finite singularity is a very new idea. An infinite singularity is a much older idea represented throughout diverse cultures.
I work with an infinite singularity, have you ever considered it?
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
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I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder